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#1 ·
I've seen a couple of new riders complain about vibration on the AN650. I've ridden many different motorcycles and a few scooters. The AN650 is a real smooth machine. I never gave vibration a thought during the first 14,000 miles I put on mine. But something happened this morning.

I keep my hump bag and a smaller toiletry bag in the tail section of the trunk. My emergency gear is stored in them. Since I haven't had any emergencies, I haven't opened either for awhile - but today I decided to look through them.

I pulled the zipper pouch that contains my "Stop n Go" tire plugger kit out of the hump bag. The first thing I noticed was a small empty plastic bottle. The cap was now resting separately from the bottle. The bottle used to contain a fluid for lubricating the tire plugs to help push them through the tire. Now the bottle contains air - and the instruction booklet is well lubricated. :?

Next I unzipped the toiletry bag, and found everything inside it coated with a fine white powder. :shock: At the bottom of the mess I found what used to be a roll of peppermint lifesavers. Several lifesavers had come out of the roll and had been pulverized into the fine white powder.

What wreaked this havoc? Vibration is definitely the prime suspect.

So on my subsequent 85 mile ride, I focused on vibration levels a bit. Yes, there is a steady vibration felt through the handgrips, floorboards, and seat. Now compared to many other 2 wheeled rides, this is mild stuff. It is comparible to the vibration level that my cat has when I hold her and she purrs. Almost pleasant. If this level of vibration bothers a rider, they probably won't be happy on any motorcycle and few scooters. Despite modern advances in engine counterbalancers and rubber insulated engine mounts, the engine on a bike is just a lot more "up close and personal" than the one in a car or truck. Hiding it behind plastic panels doesn't change that. But it can have adverse effects.

Vibration tends to amplify as it moves along the frame away from the engine. So putting my stuff in the tail section of the trunk probably subjected it to the high end of vibration levels existant in the scooter. The one bolt I lost, was one that holds a brake line bracket to the swing arm, also toward the rear of the machine.

So it is important to look at your fasteners periodically. I do it when I dry the scooter after washing it. And if you carry contingency items long term in the trunk or in a tail box, you may want to have a look through them every now and then.

But if the vibration bothers you when riding, go take a ride on a vintage Triumph. That'll cure ya! Oh, be sure you count the fillings in your teeth when you finish that ride. Might be missing one or two! :twisted:
 
#2 ·
There is a vibration, as with all machines. It is very small, but it's there.
That is the reason, for long trips, Gel pads work well.
I put 2 in my seat, 1 for me 1 for the passinger, no more numbness in the seat.
As Paul mentioned on another thread, they make gel gloves, that would take care of the handlebars and your hands.
Maybe wearing gell insoles in your shoes would help with the floor boards.
Just a thought.
 
#3 ·
Good stuff to think about. I was thinking about carrying my good Canon EOS Rebel digital SLR camera in the trunk -- whether it'd be too much vibration for it, and whether it gets too hot in the trunk when parked in the sun on a hot day. May have to look at keeping it in a good foam padded case.
 
#4 ·
I carry my cell phone in the underseat storage area of my 650 but I store it in a small camera case that I lined with foam rubber to absorb any vibrations or bumps. I've found that all bikes have some degree of vibration (even a 'Wing) and it's best not to carry any sensitive or delicate items so they rest directly on the hard surfaces of any storage area.

Don
 
#5 ·
Love the cat purring analogy. Mine feels like a mountain lion purring, but it's not that discerning.
 
#6 ·
Pete said:
Love the cat purring analogy. Mine feels like a mountain lion purring, but it's not that discerning.
My cat is a Siamese mix. Not sure what she is mixed with, but she does act like a miniature mountain lion half the time. :lol:

When I come back from a ride I have to hold her for about half an hour. That's my payback for running off and leaving her. She insists on that payback. So when I was holding her today I thought, jeez it feels like I'm still riding the scoot. She was purring to beat all heck and the vibes from that were surprisingly similar.
 
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roy_ryall said:
Paul, do you think road surface bumps could be the cause of the container opening. The 650 has so little vibration.
I seriously doubt it. But that could have been a factor in pulverizing those lifesavers. :lol:

I suspect it was vibration that unscrewed the cap on the bottle though.
 
#9 ·
On my long ride last year I was about 1200 miles into it when the lenses of my glasses popped out! (Fortunately I'm only somewhat near-sighted!) :shock:

I managed to pull to the side of the road, and the lenses were still contained within my helmet. The vibration had caused the screws in the frame to loosen.

Now I check them periodically, and carry a small screwdriver with me all the time.
 
#10 ·
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pauljo said:
roy_ryall said:
Paul, do you think road surface bumps could be the cause of the container opening. The 650 has so little vibration.
I seriously doubt it. But that could have been a factor in pulverizing those lifesavers. :lol:

I suspect it was vibration that unscrewed the cap on the bottle though.
Paul, do you think if you had a few articles of clothing in the bag and those articles placed in the middle that it would cure that?
 
#12 ·
Many liquids that you buy in a bottle these days have a small foil seal under the cap. You have to break the seal before using. It would be simple for Stop & Go to do that with the lubricant in their plug kit - and that would solve the problem nicely. I'll bet I'm not the first person this has happened to since these kits are designed for use by motorcyclists. It kind of irritates me that they didn't seal the bottle that way. Of course saliva might work just as well to lubricate the plug...
 
#13 ·
My wife has learned (I taught her) to put all liquids she travels with in zip-lock baggies. Should they come open, the mess is in the baggie. I picked up some clearanced padded camera/electronics cases the last time I was at Target. Anything I have that will suffer from vibration I can put in one of those.

Dave B.
 
#14 ·
Jim said:
Maybe wearing gell insoles in your shoes would help with the floor boards.
Just a thought.
That's a good suggestion for anyone (like me) who suffers from PN (peripheral neuropathy). I had to buy an extra large pair of boots and put gel insoles in them to relieve the pain in my feet. I never had this problem with my many motorcyles with foot pegs so I assume it's from vibration in the floorboards. The vibration in the grips does much the same to my hands so I'm looking for a pair of those gel gloves. The BMW airhead was bad for this same reason. ST1100 never bothered my feet or hands at all.
 
#15 ·
You guys are something else. I'm a newbie with a 650 and was going to post about how smooth this machine is. Of the 5 bikes I've owned this is by far the smoothest. Then I was going to ask if anyone had a vibration at 4000 RPM. Thanks Ray in Melbourne for clearing this up. I suppose it's like the vibration in the Mazda Miata at 55mph. Other than this 4000rpm demon , it does purr like a kitten.
Then in the Tavern section I take a test and you allready know what the answer will be.
You all must be psycho. I mean psychic.
Lumberman
 
#16 ·
I sent an email to Bestrest Products where I had purchased the Stop & Go plug kit asking them what to do about the missing lubricant. I asked if something as simply as saliva would work. Here is the reponse they sent.

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Whoops! Sorry that happened, I've never heard of a loose cap before. It's a first. Usually the lid is on so tight many people have to use pliers to loosen it the first time it's opened.

The magic lubricant is nothing more than straight 30W oil. You can use 5W30, 50W, or any motor oil you want. Saliva isn't slippery enough and the plug will tear. Heck, you could use kitchen cooking oil in a pinch, or if you have a dipstick on your bike you could get lube off it.

I'll pass along your episode to Bill at Stop&Go and make sure he's informed of a possible defect.

David Petersen, Mgr.
BestRest Products
6908 220th St. SW
Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
(425) 673-1023
(425) 673-0502 Fax
http://www.bestrestproducts.com
 
#17 ·
BestRest is in Mountlake Terrace? That's a 15 minute ride from my house. I wonder if they have a storefront, or if they are mail-order only. I'll have to swing by sometime and see.
 
#18 ·
My I suggest something like using Child proof bottles? those caps will never "vibrate" off, I'm sure.
also, how about "locking" tupper wear type containers? My son found some really cool platic containers at our local food store, they have "click" locking side flaps, Very much like tupperwear, 'cept the side wings clip down to hold the cover totally secure. They come is all different size, from sandwhich size on up.
And of course there is always zip lock baggies. When I had my ATV, I used all sorts of things that "locked" cause the vibration and bumping around on an atv will shake anything lose.
 
#19 ·
Brian said:
BestRest is in Mountlake Terrace? That's a 15 minute ride from my house. I wonder if they have a storefront, or if they are mail-order only. I'll have to swing by sometime and see.
Go early. They start at 5am and close at 2pm (so they can go riding). They also run a commercial cabinetry business. Not sure if they have a physical store. The air pump and tire gauge they sell are expensive - but I like both a lot.