Sounds like the clutch is cashed. Maybe wrong non MA-2 oil added.

 

Did you make sure the parking brake was disengaged.

 

I was wondering, that too, if the guy that serviced it before I purchased it had used the wrong oil. He called today and said that he had driven it from his shop to the dealer, which is about 30 miles away. He said it run fine. He is an older guy that has worked on these bikes for years.

I did make sure that the parking brake was off. I will say that seems to be the one thing that works good.

The dealer stated that they did clean this up before I came to purchased. They used a pressure washer. The mechanic thinks that this could be causing the belt to slip. He stated that 4 wheelers have a drain. He wasn’t sure if there may have be a drain for this on the Burgman. What you think?

I also noticed that it looks as if it had been laid on it side, right side sitting. It doesn’t look bad. Maybe like it was parked and tipped over. Could that possibly have anything to do with it? I assume though that those marks are from the previous owner from some time ago.

Again thank you all for your responses and help!

 

Have you checked the center stand switch. That is the most likely culprit.

 

I have not checked the center stand switch. Will it shift through the gears if the switch is bad? The reason I ask is because I did get it into overdrive a couple of times last night. I am new to the maxi-scooter world, so I have a lot of learning to about working on them. I am handy and work on everything else I have ever owned so hopefully I will be ok. I there a way to bypass this switch to see if it is the culprit? Either way, I will definitely be checking that switch out Saturday.

Thank you!

 

I did contact the dealer and he said that he would make good on it. He is wanting me to try and find someone that works on Burgmans in my area.

I would get that response in writing, and document the fact that you contacted the dealership the following day. Take it to a Suzuki dealership and get a proper diagnoses and estimate. Is the mileage listed on the sales paper in agreement with the odometer, minus the few miles that you actually drove it? I ask since that helps prove that the bike is not really in working order.

 

Wait a minute.
Did you say the DEALER used a pressure washer to clean it???

How is it that a DEALER that deals in motorcycles and/or scooters doesn't know THAT is a BIG no-no. NEVER use a pressure washer on any scoot. There should never be more than the pressure of water that flows free from a standard hose to hit the scoot. I usually use a garden rain shower nozzle which is a very gentle rain like spray. If nothing else is found it would not surprise me if the CVT got some water/soap and possibly dirt in it causing this issue. Check the CVT filter and make sure it wasn't perforated during this power wash. Still could have water in the CVT. Pressure washing pushes water where it just doesn't belong in a scoot. Into bearings and other places that will cause issues over time. Often a much shorter time than it should be.

 

On the bottom of the CVT is a rubber nipple that has a slot in it to keep bugs from climbing in. Any water will or should go down to this nipple and seep out.



Wish I was closer to NC to come over and take a peek. But you are 2990 miles southeast with two major SNOWY mountain ranges in between.

 

Wish I was closer to NC to come over and take a peek. But you are 2990 miles southeast with two major SNOWY mountain ranges in between.

wimp,,, lightweight,,,,, puuuu :devil

 

This id how I disabled the side leg stand on the 400

 

To start with, I will say this is a great forum. I greatly appreciate all of the response I have received from my post. It seems like if you all live 10 or 20 minutes down the road, you all would be over to the house and I would probably be riding today.

So my plan for Saturday morning is to check the center stand switch, look for the rubber nipple under the CVT, and hope the this one of these fixes it. I would try working on it in the evenings, but when I leave for work it is dark and when I get home it is dark. I really don't have a work shop. My garage is my carport. If either of these don't work, I am going to carry it to a mechanic. I found a guy fairly close to my house that works on these. Hopefully I will be riding soon. My only concern is if they used soap when they sprayed down around the CVT. If soap got in there, I'm not sure how easy it will be to get it out. I believe that this might be the issue. I looked under the rear of the Burgman with a flashlight last night, and it looked as if the back tire and rim had been sprayed with something like a pressure washer. The rim was bright and shiny on one side and dirty on the other.


If I end up having to carry it to the mechanic, I will get a quote from him and send it to the dealer. I did record the conversations that I had with the dealer. I will say that the dealer does seem concerned and is willing to get this straightened out. That is a rarity this date and time, but he did contact me yesterday, concerned with helping me get this straightened out. He is a older gentleman, in his 70's, and seem really nice. Most dealers this day and time will get your money and you will never hear from them again, until they want to sell you something else. I will say that I do not get that impression from this guy. He really does seem to be a good gentleman.


Again, thank you all for all of your responses. I will definitely let you all know what I find out.

 

I looked under the rear of the Burgman with a flashlight last night, and it looked as if the back tire and rim had been sprayed with something like a pressure washer. The rim was bright and shiny on one side and dirty on the other.

Which side was clean? The CVT and CVT filter is on the right (throttle) side of the bike.

 

If they sprayed water in the area up behind the rear wheel it could have gone in through the exhaust vent for the cooling fan. This would dump soapy water out on the primary pulley. Probably would not hurt the metal belt but it could have damaged the primary pulley bearings. That would pretty much trash the ECVT.

 

The right side is cleaner than the left. Hopefully it did not get into the CVT. I did talk with the mechanic in Whiteville, he said bring it to him. He said that he would check it out and take it apart to see what is going on. He also told me not to try and ride it anymore until he checks it out. I pray that it is not anything major.

 

If it is the CVT (including all bearings and gears and pullies and belts related to the CVT in that term), and the dealer "cleaned" it causing the damage, then it is the dealers' dime to repair it. Would be a kind of expensive lesson for any dealer to learn if that's what it is.

 

personally I dont trust he will do a job that will hold long term. I think **** do the bare minimum to get it running fine but per suzuki spec.

if he sold it to you and so little miles later its failing, says a lot to me about the place.

 

Ok, last Saturday I changed all of the oils, checked the kick stand switch and checked the nipple under the CVT. The switch looked good the nipple was dry and no water came out. I did realize that I probably have been lied to. I was told by the dealer that the bike had just been serviced, but it was painfully obvious that it had not been. When I took the side panel off, I could easily tell that it had been sometime since that panel had been off. Also, all of the oils had not been changed in a while. The only one that looked halfway decent was the gear oil.

I loaded up the bike and took it to the local mechanic for him to take a look at. He looked at it and based off of what I was telling him, he was thinking it was the CVT. He told me he would give me a call when he found something out. I haven’t heard anything yet, but I did ask to take his time with it. I want the bill to be as low as possible, since I will probably be the one that will be paying for it.

The dealer I purchased from has not returned my calls. I am starting to realize that this will probably be a lesson learned. That’s fine, I am a big boy and can take it. Plus I know someone that is bigger than him or me. I will leave it up to Him to handle. He can touch the dealer life in places that I never could. Sure the dealer may have sold me a $1000 bike for $3000, but that is partly my fault for taking him at his word. Either way, it is all good and hopefully be riding by spring. Some lessons are hard, but as long as you learn from them, you will come out better on the other side. I am somewhere on the other side.

Again thank all of you for your input and help. I will definitely post once I get the bike fixed, to let everyone know what was wrong.

 

Consider communicating this message to the dealer...

You're not angry, you have learned your lesson. You just won't allow yourself to be taken as a fool again from their business who lied to me.

 

dahel.

if you buy a used bike by some dealer/store, there is an automatic 3month or 3000km, whichever comes first. how many miles/time have you had the bike. this is not right.

My neighbor also has a failing cvt and I saw a police sticker on the windshield and it reminded me of the suzuki dealer who I spoke to about buying it. he said the cvt is great and was repaired and I told the neighbor that if he took the dealer to court I would definitely be a witness that the dealer said the cvt was repaired. it had over 100000km on it. I knew I recognized his scooter. small country.

 

Consider communicating this message to the dealer...

Exactly...along with having the local mechanic tell this dealer that the bike is in his shop for repair. Document everything.

 

For used bikes under 3000 from a dealer I do not know I always pay with a credit card. then if you have a simple case of misrepresentation you can work with the credit card company and who has 1000 times more clout than you do with a lousy dealer. Not a guarantee you will win but worth remembering for the future.

 

Update. The mechanic said that it was the center stand switch. I should have checked that a little closer. He also said that he checked the clutches and it looked as if someone used the wrong oil in the transmission in the past. Either way, I rode her home today and she done great!!! I wish it were a little warmer, because I would ride her some more today. I do like the way she rides and handles though the curves. I was doing 65 before I knew it and felt like I was doing about 50.
I guess the next step is to see if the dealer will help pay the bill. $275 total, but that included an oil change with the clutch pack inspection and the center kick stand switch.
Thank all of you for your input. You all are a great group!!! I will try and learn this bike from bottom to top so that I might be able to return the favor one day. Thank you all!!! Y’all are the best!!!

 

Update. The mechanic said that it was the center kickstand switch. I should have checked that a little closer. <<<SNIP>>>

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I can't see a kickstand switch giving you the problem that you originally described. If the scooter is really fixed then great, but a bad switch is either going to allow the bike to run or not run....not preventing it from getting to speed. Something is weird.

Kind of confusing when both words are there. Center or Kickstand??? :grin I fixed what I think he was trying to say.

 

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I can't see a kickstand switch giving you the problem that you originally described. If the scooter is really fixed then great, but a bad switch is either going to allow the bike to run or not run....not preventing it from getting to speed. Something is weird.

 

True, I was being sloppy in my post...nonetheless, how could a faulty "stand" switch cause an issue of "speed". Either the engine would run or the engine would be shutoff by the switch. But to say it didn't have power to obtain speed, but yet run doesn't make sense.

 

Dave_J is absolutely correct, seem Suzuki program this to work this way, it has been such since Burgman 650 hit pavement. This is documented on BUSA many many many time over.

 

I fixed Jwalker's post to read that it was JUST the Center Stand switch. That switch if stuck or damaged will keep the bike in 1st manual gear and top speed is about 45 MPH at 8,500 RPM. It will not have enough "POWER" to get to 50 MPH due to the "Rev Limiter" cutting the injector off and the bike will go "Wah Wah Wah Wah" in staccato as the injector is switched off and on.

 

Sorry for the delay, I have been very busy with work. I get to retire in a little over 2 years and I am counting down!

It was just the center kickstand switch, or at least that was what was told to be by the mechanic. He also stated that he took a look at the clutches, and it looked as if someone run the wrong oil a one time. He said that they looked a little "glazed" but should be fine. He changed the engine and clutch oil, but did not change the gear oil.

There were a few people that posted for me to check the clutch and center kickstand switch. I wish I had listened a little closer. Due to the issue that I was in with the dealer that sold me the bike, I figured that it would be best for a professional to check it out and service it this time. I have been in contact with the dealer and he is in agreement to pay the bill, and truthfully I am surprised. Most dealers this day and time are not that trustworthy, but he said that he would send me a check for the amount to repair. Just waiting on the mailman now, hopefully.

So, If you are driving your Burgman and it seems like it does not want to get up to speed, then please check the center kickstand switch. It will drive around a parking lot fine, but once you hit the road, it acts like the clutches are slipping and it does not want to change gears. I did switch it over to manual, when it was acting up, and eventually could get it to overdrive but maxed out at 45mph.

I thank each and everyone of you for your assistance with thoughts and ideas. I will definitely listen closer the next time something messes up, because it will be up to me to fix it.

Again, thank you all!!! Below are a couple of pictures the mechanic took while working on it.

 

Sorry for the delay, I have been very busy with work. I get to retire in a little over 2 years and I am counting down!

It was just the center kickstand switch, or at least that was what was told to be by the mechanic. He also stated that he took a look at the clutches, and it looked as if someone run the wrong oil a one time. He said that they looked a little "glazed" but should be fine. He changed the engine and clutch oil, but did not change the gear oil.

There were a few people that posted for me to check the clutch and center kickstand switch. I wish I had listened a little closer. Due to the issue that I was in with the dealer that sold me the bike, I figured that it would be best for a professional to check it out and service it this time. I have been in contact with the dealer and he is in agreement to pay the bill, and truthfully I am surprised. Most dealers this day and time are not that trustworthy, but he said that he would send me a check for the amount to repair. Just waiting on the mailman now, hopefully.

So, If you are driving your Burgman and it seems like it does not want to get up to speed, then please check the center kickstand switch. It will drive around a parking lot fine, but once you hit the road, it acts like the clutches are slipping and it does not want to change gears. I did switch it over to manual, when it was acting up, and eventually could get it to overdrive but maxed out at 45mph.

I thank each and everyone of you for your assistance with thoughts and ideas. I will definitely listen closer the next time something messes up, because it will be up to me to fix it.

Again, thank you all!!! Below are a couple of pictures the mechanic took while working on it.

Jwalker, Where some members are not understanding is your words "center kickstand switch" . We use the term "Kickstand" for just the side stand that you can kick down while sitting on the bike. Then the term "Centerstand" is used just for the stand in the center of the bike that lifts the rear of the bike up.

Sorry, its not a biggie but is confusing at times. Your words should be "center stand switch" without the kick that I highlighted above.

It is good that they found the issue.

 

Thanks for coming back and letting us know how it worked out.