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BROKEN WATERPUMP BOLT

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Hello guys I just recently purchased a 2007 Suzuki Burgman 650 with only 7,500 miles on it and it had two owners who didn't ride much. So I noticed antifreeze leaking from the water pump and decided to change the water pump. While installing the water pump I realized that the 8mm bolts were going in tight so I put two in halfway and the 3rd went in and broke. The threaded part of the bolt went fully in before it broke. At this point I stopped the repair and packed up. It's winter in New York City and no shop would help me get this broken bolt out. I've purchased stainless steel bolts and an extractor kit from home depot but that doesn't seem sturdy enough to remove it. I'm scared to try to remove the remaining two because I don't want to break them also. Any advice or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
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#2 ·
Mr E, welcome to the forums.

Not sure which bolt you snapped off. Getting a steel bolt that seized in aluminum is a hard task but can be done with skill and the correct equipment.

1. Some times the bolt sticks out the back and you can get 2 thin double nuts on and turn it out a bit.
2. Heat the aluminum up a little while using a center punch, gently rap on the bolt a few times to shock the seized threads loose.
3. Center punch the bolt like in #2 above and then using a "LEFT Hand" twist drill bit try to drill the center of the bolt enough to get the extractor in. Sometimes just drilling with the left twist drill bit can walk the bolt out. Extractors should only be the last results and ONLY by a professional.

Now, which bolt snapped? I numbered your picture
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Apply heat, possibly with heat gun, or dremel torch make casing surrounding bolt heat to approx 80-100 degrees celsius (i dont know what is Fahrenheit value) then CAREFULLY with spraying wd40 try to slack the bolts with spanner not socket ratchet or anything that can apply too much force on bolt, if they refuse to go apply more heat, aluminum will heat fast, for sheared bolds you will have to do as Dave told you, drill center hole with high quality drill, start with 2 mm then enlarge it to 5, 6 mm if its M8 , than use extractor but be CAREFUL extractors are very brittle they brake easily especially small sizes. If you have enough thread left sticking out you can try two nut method, with applying heat., heat is your friend :) on stuck bolts.
 
#7 · (Edited)
I am confused. From your photo are you trying to tighten bolts 2 & 3. You said you are scared to remove the remaining two bolts which suggests that 2 & 3 are the ones you have screwed in and they have become tight. Is it just me or should not there be an outer cover on the pump, in which case you will need to fit the outer cover from the pump, otherwise the bolts will bottom out and become tight which is why one has snapped off and the other two are tight.
 
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I edited my post about extractors.
I have seen and broke a casting when the extractor did not work.
 
#10 · (Edited by Moderator)
As Daris said I would be tempted to leave it and reassemble. There is a screw right next to it holding the outer case so water wise you should be ok. You may end up with a small oil leak. If you do you can always come back to it and try and drill the bolt out, but unless you have experience in doing it I would leave it to a a good mechanic.

(Admin note, changed Dave to Daris.)
 
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Do not use RTV for this sealing. The Form A Gasket is more of an adhesion sealer.
 
#16 ·
After a forty year + career as a millwright, pipefitter and heavy duty mechanic which included helping train many apprentices I'm offering my opinion, which is worth what you are paying for it. Put down your tools and back away from the machine. If you did what maccect suggests in the above post you have done all the damage you need to do. I don't think you can be trusted to drill a straight hole into the bolt. Find someone who knows what they are doing; leave it alone.
Happy Motoring and thanks for playing

Pro Tip: Never screw a steel fastener of any size into aluminum without wire brushing the thread and using a tiny bit of Never-Seize. Nuclear grade with nickle is my recommendation.

Answer the following questions before you continue to use any tools.
1. What are the three basic machines?
1a. What are the classes of one of these above referenced machines?
2. A threaded fastener, or screw, consists of which two of the above referenced machines?

The thing I miss most being retired is not having an apprentice to do the scud work.... and to beat when they do something stupid, like using more than two fingers to tighten a tiny bolt. But I digress.
 
#17 ·
They make never sieze in a stick too, best shyt ever
anything aluminum or stainless, a little dabble do ya,

Tiny extractors break

Know what's even worse, Tap Extractors, Go ahead try to extract a busted 6mm tap out with a tap extractor
I'll watch

Sometimes depending on the specifics, a dremel cut off wheel can cut a slot in the busted screw & take the piece out with a screw driver

Gluing it together is a good plan
 
#19 ·
If you can drill a hole dead center in the bolt you can make the hole big enough to use an extractor. The biggest cause of broken extractors is too small a hole, usually crookedly drilled off center, which fail to release the tension. The male threads of fasteners fill less than 100% of the female threads in the casing. There are many sizes of drills to get a correct sized hole; inch, metric, number and letter sizes. New sharp drills of appropriately hard material work best. Over tightening of fasteners by big armed goons or rookies stretches the threads and makes the job much harder, as does screwing dirty unlubed fasteners into your housing. Either of which probably caused your problem in the first place.

Happy Motoring and thanks for playing nuf sed on this topic class dismissed