I've seen a lot of info on the speed of the 650 Burgman. What I haven't seen much or is the speed going 0-60 mph for the 650. Do any of you know of any sites that has this info for the Burgman or any motorcycles? What motorcycle could the Burgman beat in 0-60 mph or 1/4 mile. JC
0-60 mph time on the 650
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The acceleration of my Burgman 650 never fails to amaze me and that's after riding a bike that had more that twice the horse power but it's still hard to believe those numbers. Even if it was based on 100kph indicated on the Burgman speedo (actual 90kph) it still seems impossible.
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Watch the video......
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Acceleration from 0-100 is a combination of torque (launch) and power (sprint to finish). For bikes of over 125cc, you don't really need much power to get to 100km/h as they are so light. This is why anything with over 80bhp can get to 100km/h in approx 3 seconds, and anything with over 50bhp can get to 100km/h in approx 5 seconds.
The AN650 rider does hold the rear brake whilst revving the engine to over 4000rpm which does load the transmission in a manner which is not healthy for the bike. However, it is effective in demolishing this sprint by removing the 'take-up' time the transmission needs.
When I posted this link originally (a 'Thanks for the link, Lycheed' would have been nice, JC...) I think a lot of this was already dicussed:
http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic. ... ght=060mph
For those that don't read Japanese, the point of the site is to allow riders to have an idea of what type of car their bike performs similarly to. I also own an X11 which ranked No 4 in the top ten video. I don't think there are many cars that can manage the sprint in 2.4 seconds... That said, a Lan Evo and Skyline GTR get close with 4 sec times.
This is far from accurate, and really more fun than an oracle of information.
The AN650 rider does hold the rear brake whilst revving the engine to over 4000rpm which does load the transmission in a manner which is not healthy for the bike. However, it is effective in demolishing this sprint by removing the 'take-up' time the transmission needs.
When I posted this link originally (a 'Thanks for the link, Lycheed' would have been nice, JC...) I think a lot of this was already dicussed:
http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic. ... ght=060mph
For those that don't read Japanese, the point of the site is to allow riders to have an idea of what type of car their bike performs similarly to. I also own an X11 which ranked No 4 in the top ten video. I don't think there are many cars that can manage the sprint in 2.4 seconds... That said, a Lan Evo and Skyline GTR get close with 4 sec times.
This is far from accurate, and really more fun than an oracle of information.
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I did email lycheed re my apology for not documenting that he was the first one to post the 0-100 kph site. The site is: http://2st.dip.jp/~kasokusure/E-index.html Movie Big scooter silver wing 600 650 T-MAX Scaiweib silver wing
I just didn't do it on this thread. I do apologize for not crediting you lycheed. The site is quite a hit with my son. The info I got, and I'm not sure where I got it, was that the Burgman did 0-100 kph in 7.0 without the power button. With the power button, it did 5.3-Movie 24, and with the manual push button transmission, it did the 4.56 time. If you watch the video of the 4.56 time, you can tell the gears were used cuz the tach goes up and down and on the Movie 24-the tach goes steadily up. JC
I just didn't do it on this thread. I do apologize for not crediting you lycheed. The site is quite a hit with my son. The info I got, and I'm not sure where I got it, was that the Burgman did 0-100 kph in 7.0 without the power button. With the power button, it did 5.3-Movie 24, and with the manual push button transmission, it did the 4.56 time. If you watch the video of the 4.56 time, you can tell the gears were used cuz the tach goes up and down and on the Movie 24-the tach goes steadily up. JC
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I don't know where you are looking on that Japanese site. The provided link goes to a page that no longer exists and then redirects you to a page where if you click on a few things you can see some movies.. but no mention of scooters.
Perahps the link is dead?
Shoe
Perahps the link is dead?
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I like our Burgman 650's for what they are, and how well they 'work'. I almost can't imagine not having one in the garage regardless of what I may buy in the future.
But! having said that, performance-wise.....it's one of the slowest bikes i've ever owned, even for it's displacement class.
That's not to say it's not adequate, or even exceptional at it's intended 'mission'....which is making me happy to ride it.
But! having said that, performance-wise.....it's one of the slowest bikes i've ever owned, even for it's displacement class.
That's not to say it's not adequate, or even exceptional at it's intended 'mission'....which is making me happy to ride it.
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Joe is right. Comparing the 650 against sports bikes isn't important to most owners, most sports bikes will do 0-60 in way under 7 secs. What's more important is that we can get away from the lights quicker than the cages, as in city traffic they are the real threat. Being able to accelerate out of trouble and avoid being run over by a cager is more important to me.
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Re: 650 weight again....
I never knew that worms came in bags, mine always come in a can!
wilythek said:
I never knew that worms came in bags, mine always come in a can!
Re: 650 weight again....
BTW - Last week, I was at the bottom of a hill on Wilshire with a couple of itchy sports cars and a guy on a sport bike. I wanted to be out in front of them so that I could pick my spots for slipping into the leads between lanes at the next light, so I popped it into Power Mode and gave a hard twist at the green light. My first thought was "Holy CRAP! Was that my wristwatch that just slid up my arm??" Everyone else rolled up to the next light with decidedly less aggression, and the sport bike rider gave my bike a stare and me a nod.
:shock: :lol:
I'm pretty much a conservative commuter, but pick my spots when on the highway to give gas and slip through a crowd to settle in a gap in front of me - but this was the first time I've engaged Power Mode at a full stop. I was surprised, impressed, and just a tad scared at the power I had wrought - I feel like a wolf in sheep's clothing out there now.
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LOL - mine too!ScooterRaton said:wilythek said:
I never knew that worms came in bags, mine always come in a can!
BTW - Last week, I was at the bottom of a hill on Wilshire with a couple of itchy sports cars and a guy on a sport bike. I wanted to be out in front of them so that I could pick my spots for slipping into the leads between lanes at the next light, so I popped it into Power Mode and gave a hard twist at the green light. My first thought was "Holy CRAP! Was that my wristwatch that just slid up my arm??" Everyone else rolled up to the next light with decidedly less aggression, and the sport bike rider gave my bike a stare and me a nod.
:shock: :lol:
I'm pretty much a conservative commuter, but pick my spots when on the highway to give gas and slip through a crowd to settle in a gap in front of me - but this was the first time I've engaged Power Mode at a full stop. I was surprised, impressed, and just a tad scared at the power I had wrought - I feel like a wolf in sheep's clothing out there now.
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Re: 650 weight again....
I've put a whopping 15 miles on my new 650, just riding around my subdivision (no motorcycle experience so I'm taking things very slowly). I briefly played with the power button to see what effect it had on acceleration from a stop. Even though I'm a complete newbie, and didn't go over 30 mph, the acceleration difference in power mode was very noticeable. I'm thinking I'll just stay away from that scary button for awhile until I have a better idea what I'm doing :shock:HHaynes said:
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Fast, very very fast. I can't prove it, but in Power mode and holding on for dear life, seems like faster than my PC800, and with less drama. Fast enough to beat all but the most hardcore muscle cars or "fast and the furious" japanese hotrods.
Frankly, that's all that should matter.
Hell, even without Power mode I have no problem leaving cars in the dust.
(Okay so I had a cranky day two days ago and was riding it hard...peppy bugger the 650 is...)
Whether I can beat another motorcycle seems moot...aren't enough of 'em around to matter.
Frankly, that's all that should matter.
Hell, even without Power mode I have no problem leaving cars in the dust.
(Okay so I had a cranky day two days ago and was riding it hard...peppy bugger the 650 is...)
Whether I can beat another motorcycle seems moot...aren't enough of 'em around to matter.
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Re: 650 weight again....
Since my "Carbon Mule" is fast, and has the "bling my ride" looks, more than one Japanese hotrodder (think "fast and the furious") has given me the nod.
On Red Shift, the few times I've blown off the line to get ahead like you mentioned, the reaction is generally a bit more room and alot less grief, if not an outright "What is that?"
These megascooters are not Honda Sprees by any measure.
You haven't truly had fun until you've done that on a smaller scooter. I have a hopped-up Yamaha Zuma (70cc kit and "street tune" upgrades). I've never blown the fenders off a sportbiker, but I kept up with one all through town one day, and he was impressed.HHaynes said:
Since my "Carbon Mule" is fast, and has the "bling my ride" looks, more than one Japanese hotrodder (think "fast and the furious") has given me the nod.
On Red Shift, the few times I've blown off the line to get ahead like you mentioned, the reaction is generally a bit more room and alot less grief, if not an outright "What is that?"
These megascooters are not Honda Sprees by any measure.
I can't help but notice that almost everyone's Burgman 'conquests' are from city traffic light 'drags', where no one seems to notice that there is a 'race' going on except the Burgman pilot, who apparently must resort to what can be described as a 'sucker-punch' tactic of wacking the throttle open and hanging on until the next light arrives a block later, then basking in the admiration of all who've just been vanquished by the mighty scooter.
It just so happens that about noon today, I was waiting at a more or less rural four-lane red light alongside a late model, four-door, humongous Chevrolet pickup. When the light turned green we both took off simultaniously, with the pickup absolutely flooring the gas pedal as soon as it was rolling.....being something of a 'sport', I did the same thing. We were 'neck and neck' up to about 75 mph, where the truck backed off and returned to the 65 mph speed limit. I held the gas open for a bit longer and went ahead of the Chevy. I was in standard 'auto' mode, not 'power' mode, but I doubt if the two extra horsepower delivered a second earlier than normal would have helped much.
Had we continued with our little contest, I have no confidence that the Burgman would have eventually 'beaten' what by most performance standards would be considered a river-barge of a vehicle.
You guys may be able to get a 'jump' on some vehicles from stoplights, especially if they arent' aware that you're going to hammer it, But this bike, lovable as it is, is a SLUG!!!!!!!
My old Hayabusa only needed the first one-and-a-half gears out of six to be faster than a Burgman 650 at top speed, but yes! it's just possible that a well rung-out 'Burgy' 650 could beat the Busa to the manhole cover in the center of the intersection, but don't go for 'pink slips' if the 'race' goes any farther than fifty feet.
Pick your street fights carefully with this thing, boys....I've never been matched by a swollen boat-hauler of a pickup with any of my other bikes.
It just so happens that about noon today, I was waiting at a more or less rural four-lane red light alongside a late model, four-door, humongous Chevrolet pickup. When the light turned green we both took off simultaniously, with the pickup absolutely flooring the gas pedal as soon as it was rolling.....being something of a 'sport', I did the same thing. We were 'neck and neck' up to about 75 mph, where the truck backed off and returned to the 65 mph speed limit. I held the gas open for a bit longer and went ahead of the Chevy. I was in standard 'auto' mode, not 'power' mode, but I doubt if the two extra horsepower delivered a second earlier than normal would have helped much.
Had we continued with our little contest, I have no confidence that the Burgman would have eventually 'beaten' what by most performance standards would be considered a river-barge of a vehicle.
You guys may be able to get a 'jump' on some vehicles from stoplights, especially if they arent' aware that you're going to hammer it, But this bike, lovable as it is, is a SLUG!!!!!!!
My old Hayabusa only needed the first one-and-a-half gears out of six to be faster than a Burgman 650 at top speed, but yes! it's just possible that a well rung-out 'Burgy' 650 could beat the Busa to the manhole cover in the center of the intersection, but don't go for 'pink slips' if the 'race' goes any farther than fifty feet.
Pick your street fights carefully with this thing, boys....I've never been matched by a swollen boat-hauler of a pickup with any of my other bikes.
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Kind of silly
Burglar,
Kind of a meaningless comparison to compare a 650 to a Hyabusa...like comparing a miniature dachshund to a greyhound. Different designs, sizes, purposes entirely.
Pickup trucks don't sell so much because they do work but because they have high ratio rear ends that give the feel of speed and power away from stop lights but are very top end limited as a result.
If I'da wanted a Hyabusa, I'da bought one.
Pretty hard to confuse the 650 and that bike....mine keeps up or exceeds just about any traffic in just about any situation which is more than adequate for me since I'm not an adrenaline junkie.
Lance
Burglar,
Kind of a meaningless comparison to compare a 650 to a Hyabusa...like comparing a miniature dachshund to a greyhound. Different designs, sizes, purposes entirely.
Pickup trucks don't sell so much because they do work but because they have high ratio rear ends that give the feel of speed and power away from stop lights but are very top end limited as a result.
If I'da wanted a Hyabusa, I'da bought one.
Pretty hard to confuse the 650 and that bike....mine keeps up or exceeds just about any traffic in just about any situation which is more than adequate for me since I'm not an adrenaline junkie.
Lance
Coming from my ZX12R to this I can relate all too well. Warp drive was engaged on that bike by just twisting the throttle in any gear at any speed. Both the Busa and the 12R would go from 100mph to 160mph faster than the Burgy will go from 0-60.
There are a lot of luxury cars in my area such as the Lexus LS430 and their ilk. These are NOT slow cars. If you launch one of these cars aggressively it will run down your Burgy to 60 with ease. You might beat them for the first 50 feet but that is is.
I can’t tell you how often I need to reset my senses as to what the Burgy is capable of while used to riding my 12R. I find myself trying to shoot for gaps that the 12 would make with ease but that I have to plan for more carefully with my Exec.
I’d really like to see about another 10HP out of the 650. It would do wonders for the all around performance. I was going up a fairly steep hill with my son on board last night. I was fairly hard on the gas and going about 60 mph and an Acura TL easily pulled me up the hill with not much effort.
The 650’s forte’ is 0-30. Above that so many other 4 wheeled vehicles will own you it isn’t fun. From 60 mph on up anything other than a base econobox will hang with you or beat you. On my 12R rear view mirrors were pretty much optional as if you were rolling, you could easily get in front of almost anybody by just cracking the throttle and shooting forward. On the Burgy they are my best defense at keeping from getting mowed down by a car.
On the plus side as the miles have accumulated on my Exec (now over 500) it’s performance has improved quite a bit. Quite amazingly its seen the greatest improvement during break-in of any vehicle I’ve ever owned. My motor must have been very tight from the factory. Mileage has climbed from the mid 30’s at very gentle throttle to low 40’s with much more aggressive throttle usage.
All in all I am pretty happy with it other than the POS front suspension. Gawd is it awful. Rear is not good but by comparison to the front it is downright plush and well dampened.
There are a lot of luxury cars in my area such as the Lexus LS430 and their ilk. These are NOT slow cars. If you launch one of these cars aggressively it will run down your Burgy to 60 with ease. You might beat them for the first 50 feet but that is is.
I can’t tell you how often I need to reset my senses as to what the Burgy is capable of while used to riding my 12R. I find myself trying to shoot for gaps that the 12 would make with ease but that I have to plan for more carefully with my Exec.
I’d really like to see about another 10HP out of the 650. It would do wonders for the all around performance. I was going up a fairly steep hill with my son on board last night. I was fairly hard on the gas and going about 60 mph and an Acura TL easily pulled me up the hill with not much effort.
The 650’s forte’ is 0-30. Above that so many other 4 wheeled vehicles will own you it isn’t fun. From 60 mph on up anything other than a base econobox will hang with you or beat you. On my 12R rear view mirrors were pretty much optional as if you were rolling, you could easily get in front of almost anybody by just cracking the throttle and shooting forward. On the Burgy they are my best defense at keeping from getting mowed down by a car.
On the plus side as the miles have accumulated on my Exec (now over 500) it’s performance has improved quite a bit. Quite amazingly its seen the greatest improvement during break-in of any vehicle I’ve ever owned. My motor must have been very tight from the factory. Mileage has climbed from the mid 30’s at very gentle throttle to low 40’s with much more aggressive throttle usage.
All in all I am pretty happy with it other than the POS front suspension. Gawd is it awful. Rear is not good but by comparison to the front it is downright plush and well dampened.
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Well, not really. I do all that lane threading where I feel if I'm going to thread, it's my responsibility to get the hell out of the way and stay out of the way. Every once in a while, some yahoo who wasn't moving fast before now suddenly feels the need to "beat" me.Burglar said:
Fact is, rarely happens.
Out and out drag races on city streets are for people with low IQs and self-esteem issues. People doing 60+ on city streets is stupid, since fastest boulevard I've ever seen is 50 around here. So any "drag" is only meaningful from...gasp...0 to 50.
Although frankly, if you got wasted in a stoplight drag with anything short of another motorcycle with a Burgman, I'd take it to the shop. Carbon Mule can dust anything short of hot-rodded cages in a simple street race from 0-40...and it's just a 70cc 2-stroke with a middle-range tune. Single-ringers eat it for breakfast. Burgman eats it for breakfast past 10mph.
Careful what you assume sir. I for one am not hot-rodding, just finding the practicality of the power it has. By car standards, ANY motorcycle or modern megascooter is more than a match for a cage in real-world, useful situations. I could care less about drag-strip style racing, that's a meaningless metric on city streets.
(In fact on my 50cc I loved the look on those Hayabusa guys tearing through town only to have me catch them at every single intersection...)
Can I get out of the way, get around, and also have enough power for the occasional showoff? Yup. Can I 1/4 mile a sportscar? Nope. But who cares?
Re: Kind of silly
What would be 'meaningful' then? Burgman versus Cushman Eagle perhaps? Of course it's a meaningless comparison to toss a Hayabusa into the mix, in fact, it's NO comparison at all....which is my point.
But to get all impressed with the Burgman 650's acceleration is a silly endeavor at best. Your word "adequate" is a good word to describe the Burgman 650's performance, I agree wholeheartedly....it's certainly 'adequate'.
"If I'da wanted a Hyabusa, I'da bought one."
Uh....and your point is?
All it takes to buy a Hayabusa is a bit of money.....and the good sense to recognize one of the finest productions machines in the world when you see one.
The next chance I get, I'm going to 'take on' the Schwann's Dairy truck, I bet I can kick 'ice-cream-boy's' butt......to the next light.
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Hey Lance! What's wrong with a Hayabusa?, after all, apparently the Burgman impresses sportbike riders of all kinds with it's amazing off-the-line performance?Lance62 said:
What would be 'meaningful' then? Burgman versus Cushman Eagle perhaps? Of course it's a meaningless comparison to toss a Hayabusa into the mix, in fact, it's NO comparison at all....which is my point.
But to get all impressed with the Burgman 650's acceleration is a silly endeavor at best. Your word "adequate" is a good word to describe the Burgman 650's performance, I agree wholeheartedly....it's certainly 'adequate'.
"If I'da wanted a Hyabusa, I'da bought one."
Uh....and your point is?
All it takes to buy a Hayabusa is a bit of money.....and the good sense to recognize one of the finest productions machines in the world when you see one.
The next chance I get, I'm going to 'take on' the Schwann's Dairy truck, I bet I can kick 'ice-cream-boy's' butt......to the next light.
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:wink: )Can you elaborate more on the "Gold Valves". I can't find anything on them when I search. Where did you get the springs?
Are the Gold Valves like the cartridge inserts I read about in a post that I can't now find? I have to do something immediately about the pathetic forks.
Are the Gold Valves like the cartridge inserts I read about in a post that I can't now find? I have to do something immediately about the pathetic forks.
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