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If you'd like to see what it looks like:

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/mc ... ulti.html#

 

[ted clement]

Gruntled, what I do with cycle or car salesmen is, after the obligatory chat to get to "know" each other, I politely but firmly tell them that I'd like them to give me their best price out the door, that they have one shot at it and if they start playing the "how much ya wanna pay" game, I'm out the door. Works for me.