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Randy said:
I Like the twin shock rear Suspension, But that's not enough to give up my Burgman for. :)
I don't like that the twin shocks are absolutely vertical. I prefer them canted slightly forward, like the AN650, and every motorcycle I've ever owned with twin shocks. I suppose it works - the visual message I get though is "pogo stick".
 

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I agree except compared to my 400 even straight shocks for this heavy weight rider would be nice.

Without the :bounce: thank you :)
 

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Majesty valve inspection

Don't overlook the fact that the Majesty 400 has 26,600 intervals between valve inspections vs 3,500 miles for the Burger 400.

I now own 2 Majesties 400's and find them to exceed my expectations in their overall handling and performance.
 

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I roamed the showroom today while my rear tire was being replaced. A new blue Yamaha Majesty 400 was sitting next to the Burgmans. I took a few minutes to look it over. Here are my impressions.

Likes:

- The parking brake lever on the handlebar is brilliant! Much easier to use than the pull up lever under the dash on my AN650.

- The mirrors are way sleeker looking than those "parts bin" ones on the AN400. They seemed to adjust smoothly too.

- The ignition key trunk release works much nicer than the Burgman. Just turn the key one click to the left of "Off". No need to push and twist. I like the Yamaha approach better, plus it doesn't require a 6" key!

- Analog dial instrumentation. Yes, the AN400 has that too. I've never liked the fancy digital dash on the AN650 - it is difficult for me to read even the speedometer under bright sunlight conditions (and impossible to read anything else).

Dislikes:

- The muffler is HUGE! It is out of place on that otherwise sleekly styled scooter, and it has got to be quite heavy. It is as bad as the mirrors are good! I'm sure the aftermarket exhaust folks are going to do some business.

- The rear seat is almost flush with the bodywork. I think that might result in some discomfort for a passenger - bodywork contacting inner thighs. And it might also result in some paint being scratched or worn thin from passenger contact. I didn't sit on it though. Visually, it looks sleek - but impractical.

- The floor of the dash compartment is not flat. It has more ridges and valleys than the surface of the moon! Yuk.

- The underseat trunk is not very deep. It, like the dash, has an irregularly shaped bottom surface. Not sure how it would compare to the AN400, but it is for sure not in the same league as the AN650 trunk.

- This is not a scooter for long legged folk. The handlebars were hitting my legs when I sat on it - and not just when fully turned (like the AN400).

Indifferent:

- Overall styling, with the exception of that awful muffler, is pretty sleek. But I don't think it is a clear winner over the AN400. I looked back and forth between the two - they are both attractive scooters. I think the Majesty might appeal more to younger buyers - but it is strictly a matter of preference.

- Fit and Finish. An early report we got cited poor fit and finish on the Majesty. I didn't think there was a significant difference in fit and finish between the Majesty and the AN400.

Overall, it is a definite contender, and they should enjoy good sales. I think it might inspire Suzuki to enhance their 400 a bit. Nothing wrong with good competition!
 

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I test rode one Saturday. I agree with Paul's comments and would add,

mirrors - I also like them better than the 400's, but the view is restricted they need to be moved out.
instrumentation - I liked the style of the speedo and tach more than the 400
mufffler - sounds better than the 400. More M/C sounding
underseat storage - space does seem as useful as the 400. I did not put a helmet in it to test it.
handlebars - with a 30" inseam, I did not ahave any problems
fit and finish - as good as 400

Performance - slower from a dead stop, but better than the 400 in all other situations (also rode it two-up). It also does not have the acceleration lag in the 25 to 50mph like the 400.
Handling - seems good. did not push it hard. light feeling at a stand still and pushing it around
Ride - smoother than the 400.
Seat - a little more comfortable, but I did not ride it very long. Higher seat height
W/S - needs a taller one

Nice bike, differently needs to be considered if you are in the 400 market.
 

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Comments re ride test:

If the muffler sounds good, I could probably forgive it's bulk. I like good sound.

I was of course comparing the trunk volume to what I am used to (the 650). I know that was unfair, because the 650 does not have the engine buried under there. But at this point, I couldn't step down to a 400 sized trunk - I am spoiled.

I'd love to ride it, but there just isn't enough leg clearance for me to do it safely. The key was in the ignition of the one I looked at and the battery was charged - so I think it has been getting some demo rides.
 

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I was of course comparing the trunk volume to what I am used to (the 650). I know that was unfair, because the 650 does not have the engine buried under there. But at this point, I couldn't step down to a 400 sized trunk - I am spoiled.
Urrmm ... the Burgman 650 and the Burgman 400 both have the same size (55 liter) trunk.
 

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Hmm... I just went to Yamaha's website, and they claim that the Majesty has a 16 gallon trunk capacity. That converts to 60.5 liters. It sure doesn't look like it though. I prefer the deeper trunk on the 650 - the Majesty's looks long and shallow. I'm not going to get in more trouble regarding the AN400 though. :? I haven't looked at an AN400 trunk lately, so I'm really not sure how that 55 liters is arranged.
 

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The main thing I disliked about the Majesty's trunk was that so much of it was still 'covered' when the trunk was open. When I have 2 helmets in the Burgman's trunk, I can access either one without have to remove the most forward one like is required on the Majesty.

For those of you that have not seen the Majesty, here's a link to a picture to make it easier to understand :

2005 Majesty Storage on Yamaha-Motor.com
 

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You can always cut the rear seat section loose and glue it to the front--
Then it would be just like the Burgman. :lol:
 

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Grrrr! I went to the dealer in Temecula today to start looking for the Majesty. When I told him I would be checking six different dealers to see where I could get the best deal he would not quote me a price out the door. He said to get the best price I could & he would beat it. I told him that if they all said that I would never be able to get started.
Looks like the next place I go I will have to be sure not to say that. I will have to go through the entire process just to get a price. Big waste of my time but at least I will be wasteing their time also.
If I get too big a hassle I may just give up the whole idea. I am really mad right now.
 

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So, lie. I'm not usually a big fan of lying, but one discourtesy begs another. Go in and tell him that someone offered you (price X) on the bike. Make sure that (price x) is something realistic that you'd also be willing to pay; I'd make it about $1500 under sticker. If he demands a copy of the offer in writing, tell him it's a verbal offer from a phone conversation with Salesman Ned Trueheart at Acme Suzuki/Yamaha in Deerfield, Maine, where you just happen to be headed next month anyway with your pickup, so that trailering your new bike back home will be no problem at all...

(If you're going to use a fictitious dealership, it has to be placed so far away that the dealer will never have heard of it. If he claims he can't find it on the Internet, then you mention that it's brand spanking new. Your good friend Blanche Blueblood told you about it. Something about a "grand opening special"... In other words, it pays to be quick on your feet.)

At worst, you have to buy the scoot for (price x), which you were willing to do anyway. At best, you get to watch a crooked salesman's face turn all kinds of shades of purple as he stutters and stammers...

(Most likely he'll say that he won't match a _verbal_ offer. Show absolutely no disappointment, thank him with a smile on your face, shake his hand firmly, and turn to leave. The game is still only just beginning. His statement was made simply to see if you were faking. He _may_ stop you and change his mind at that point. If he comes within a couple hundred, and you want the bike at that price, shrug and say that trailering a bike _is_ kind of a pain in the butt over so many thousand miles, and maybe worth paying a hundred bucks to avoid. If not, keep right on walking and keep right on smiling, knowing that you've pissed him off just as badly as he did you today. He'll actually lose sleep over you, with any luck. "My god! Did he _really_ get quoted that price? How can I stay in business if he did?" Turnabout is fair play.)

Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't do this to a _respectable_ dealer. That Would be as dishonest as what was done to you today. But I've bought a lot of cars, and due to my experience a lot of friends have asked me to help them buy cars. Comparing prices is the consumer's _only_ real defense in shopping, and dealers who refuse to make an honest offer to an honest buyer are in my book a _pleasure_ to mess with. They are thieves, pure and simple, and will continue to be theives until enough people fight back and make their lives so miserable they can't stand it any more. Imagine Sears not telling you how much something is, until you've found figures elsewhere. The law would be all over them! Why should car/motorcycle dealers be exempt?

BTW, when all is said and done I wouldn't take a dime's worth of service work to this outfit, either. If you want to buy from a dealership you can build a relationship with, go elsewhere. These guys want to fleece you today, and that being the case they will still want to fleece you in another way tomorrow. Count on it!

Oh, and just to be sure you don't get screwed on "back-door" add-ons...

Make _certain_ that all prices are quoted as "out-the-door", including prep. In my case, they tried to add something like $350 in dealer prep after agreeing to a price. I smiled, stood up, and headed for the door. "Wait, what's wrong?" they asked. "I'm not paying that," I replied. "Everyone pays for dealer prep," they answered. "I don't," I said back.

And you know what? I didn't. :)
 

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Gruntled, what I do with cycle or car salesmen is, after the obligatory chat to get to "know" each other, I politely but firmly tell them that I'd like them to give me their best price out the door, that they have one shot at it and if they start playing the "how much ya wanna pay" game, I'm out the door. Works for me.
 

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Nice looking scoot, but it does look a little small to me.
 

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If spending hours or even days haggling for the last potential couple of hundred is worth it, then ok. If not, then consider just determining what a fair deal is (yes, I believe the dealer should make a profit) and calling around or dropping in and saying "I'll pay this otd and not a penny more". All depends on what your time is worth and how badly you want the merchandise.
 
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