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ok, been riding a 400, mostly because I knew the 650 was a little more power than I needed. Don't have a bike now because of other commitments, but things look to be changing and I may be riding again soon, so I am thinking, why not a 650, a 2011 0r 2012 with extended warranty, and I plan to put 12 to 15 grand a year on it, so it won't be many years before the miles add up. I can afford the gas difference between the 400 and 650 and the cost of a few performance awards and the initial cost of the bike is already in the bank with Suzuki's name on it. Other than my tendency to occasionally grow fangs, what down side is there on the 650 that I should be ready for, seat height and weight weren't a problem when I was at the stealership but showrooms aren't the real world. Yes, my biggest reason for switching to a 650 is a larger place to hang my testicles, but at my station in life, I should be able to sling them over my shoulder and ride with them bumping against the tag light if I want to.
Is there a common failure on the years mentioned? will I need to replace the windscreen like the 400, what tools are needed for routine maintenance I might not have? Will I have to change brands of beer? (currently drinking barq's root beer and an occasional san miguel NA) any specific thing I should order at the dealership when I go to get the bike, 90 degree valve stems, or klingon photon cannons for people talking on cell phones ? headlight modulators are an absolute must, but that's about the only farkle I see happening for a while.
 

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If you get the Executive version with the adjustable windshield you might be happy with stock. If you felt you had to change windshield on the 400 you probably won't like the non adjustable version either.

The same tools you use for maintance on the 400 will work on the 650.

I think all the 650s come with 90 degree valve stems on the back wheel now. I've never saw a need for them on the front wheelbut you might.
 

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On my 2011 Exec I added a laminar lip to the standard screen, and am very happy with stock screen with that on it.

I agree with Buffalo with respect to the tools, and for regular maintenance (says the guy who's only done the one service), is no more difficult to work on than the 400.

If you're used to the 400, the 650 is much more of a handful to push around, but by no means isn't it manageable.

The added features on the 650 Exec are nice, and I've found the longer I've had it, my "go to" bike is gradually changing from the 400 to the 650.

For me, no real downside.

At the end of the day, only you can decide what's right for you, and sometimes your heart has to rule your head. If you really want a 650, go for it!

BTW, have you ever ridden a 650, for it is a different riding experience than the 400?
 

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I know the throttle response and engine braking are different on a 650 and I will have to learn that, and I have "heard" the 400 is a little quicker to get into a corner than the 650 but no, haven't had one on the street yet
 

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You will likely find the suspension a weak point of the 650. Fixes are readily available from RaceTech for the front and iKon rear shocks and springs. I did not like the seat on either of my 650's, had my 07 seat customized and bought a Corbin for my '11.
 

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I know the throttle response and engine braking are different on a 650 and I will have to learn that, and I have "heard" the 400 is a little quicker to get into a corner than the 650 but no, haven't had one on the street yet
The 400 has a lighter feel when you pitch it into a corner but in terms of the actual speed you can go into a corner at the 650 is just a touch faster. It can also carry just a touch more speed through the corner than the 400. You will have to put stronger input into the bars though. Take your time and work up to it before you try really agressive cornering on the 650 because the feel is different.
 

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Well....., I am 74 years old, have a 2008 650 Executive and a 2009 650 Executive. As far as being hard to push around..... I ride it! Backing out of the drive way is the only pushing I do. The suspension.... Don't ride on pothole roads, it likes smooth pavement but rough pavement is never a problem. Curves/corners........ The 650 will out perform any "big bike" out there in the curves and will be "right there" with a 400. Engine breaking...... I love it, very seldom have to use the brakes. Windshield..... Get a Laminar Lip, works great! Maintance...... If you can change oil on a 400 you can change the fluids on a 650, same tools. Weight...... I love the way the 650 feels, solid and grounded especially with a drivers backrest. In short...... I found my ride for the rest of my riding days.
 

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"Curves/corners........ The 650 will out perform any "big bike" out there in the curves"
Ummm, I have a 650 Burgie and love it, it is my primary form of transportation; but...
I also have an R1200RT and the Burgman could not match it on the curves if the BMW had flat tires.
My biggest complaint on the Burgman is the stock suspension, it rides horribly and corners marginally.
I think they are great rides, but I wish Suzuki would fix the suspension.
The aftermarket fixes are very good, but can be expensive.
 

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"Curves/corners........ The 650 will out perform any "big bike" out there in the curves"
Ummm, I have a 650 Burgie and love it, it is my primary form of transportation; but...
I also have an R1200RT and the Burgman could not match it on the curves if the BMW had flat tires.
My biggest complaint on the Burgman is the stock suspension, it rides horribly and corners marginally.
I think they are great rides, but I wish Suzuki would fix the suspension.
The aftermarket fixes are very good, but can be expensive.
I live in the mountains and most of my riding is on very crooked mountain roads. I have a BMW R80RT, a BMW R11200CLC and a Burgman 400. My riding friend has a BMW R1200RT and a Burgman 650. Since the R1200CLC is probably the worst handling BMW ever made, the Burgmans both handle better than it does. I think both the R1200RT and the R80RT handle better than the Burgmans but it takes more attention and effort. I don't ride on the edge so the handling of the Burgmans is great for me and the tradeoff is worth it since I don't have to constantly change gears and pay attention to engine speed.
 

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I like my Burgman and will say it is one of my top picks of all the Motors I have been on. But I know for a fact that a very good rider on a CBR250 or Ninja 250 would smoke me in the twistys. Even IF I had a motorcycle tire on the rear. While I can drag side parts, I think a proper roadracer bike would smoke me. But the average rider on almost any bike is fair game and if its a fat chromed out cruiser, its not a game at all, but I can slow down and make it fun for me. :twisted:
 

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mikey I will PM you. :)
 

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Best all around bike I've owned.
Seat could use some attention but I'd try a Beadrider first ....shouldn't work....really does and it's cheap.

Not fond of the laminar lips cluttering the top fo the screen....the Clearview was the best addition I made. 2" wider and 1.5" taller than stock. Superb farkle.

650 feels light and nimble...is not light - so you can can have low speed issues at stops on slants etc if you don't pay attention.
You can ride the twists aggressively but bear in mind the weight - the brakes are superb tho and never seem to fade to get on the binders hard going in and power out, the Power button is your friend.

It will handle rough roads but not with comfort....even bottomed out on a sweeper at 150 kph ( rough pavement going to James Bay ) the bike stayed stable and online tho my teeth were vibrating.

As for handling....it's better than I am and I was used to the RD400 in the twists. One of the Burgman 650 reviewers who is a professional racer and was riding a VFR800 stated it clearly after he got over his surprise....."if this were a race there would be no losing the 650".
The Silverwing was not in the same class. That's good enough for me.

The only rider that I could not even stay in touch with in twisties was a crazy man on a dual sport converted to a street fighter.....but then I had to escort him afer dark since his "candle level" lights were a bit of a risk in a deer country.
The 650 does a lot of things very well.

This is the review that got me into maxis and contains the quote above from the VFR800 rider who was with them.
http://www.onewheeldrive.net/2006/10/04 ... i-burgman/

I got the Silverwing but was VERY pleased moving to my 650 Burgman - on my second one - just superb machines.

There is a cute taie here about the Bridge from Hell that one of the members ended up on a couple of days ago. And his 650 handled the rough twists up to it at a quicker pace than I could on the KLR650 and I sure got fed up with shifting and clutching on the tight twists with elevation changes and surface issues.
Some cool pics but scary situation..he did very well in pouring rain and very nasty bridge from hell...not many Burgmans have visited Cape Tribulation in Far North Queensland I would bet.

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/sh ... ond-season

You'll love it - go for it. :D
 

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"I think both the R1200RT and the R80RT handle better than the Burgmans but it takes more attention and effort. I don't ride on the edge so the handling of the Burgmans is great for me and the tradeoff is worth it since I don't have to constantly change gears and pay attention to engine speed."

This is VERY true.
For easier riding the Burgman is less fussy.
I also do not like how the Burgman feels two up in curves. Particularly on down left turns. The centerstand arm gets down to easy. And no, my wife and I are normal weight :)
Two up riding is the primary reason I bought a road bike.
I like the maxi scooters. I intend to test drive BMW's offering.
I hear it handles very well.
 
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