[Dave_J]

You have say a 07 or newer 400 Burgman and personally can not even remove a lenses cover to replace a bulb without screwing something up so its off to the dealer for EVERYTHING.

At current Flat Rate plus dealers cost of parts, what are the costs to go 50,000 miles? Things like Speedo drive dohicky repairs, drive Belt changes, Slider/roller replacements, Clutch bell and Clutch pads and any gaskets for the exhaust is what I am talking about, not tires, brake pad or bulb replacements. Just the main hard parts. Drive it in or towed, them do all the work and you just pay and drive off?

I asked this same question on the pre 07 side so answer here for any 07 or NEWER 400's please.

 

[Dave_J]

Oh yes, if you added say some Dr Pully sliders or a Hasbro Clutch just to make it go better, I would include that cost as maintenance to make it better.

 

[Daboo]

Oh yes, if you added say some Dr Pully sliders or a Hasbro Clutch just to make it go better, I would include that cost as maintenance to make it better.

Unless the clutch or OEM rollers have worn out, those are a discretionary cost, not a requirement. Much like adding a cup holder or seat cushion. Or changing fork oil, or shocks on a 650. Right?

If you decide to count them, then how many times do you count them? I've changed Dr. Pulley sliders probably 8-10 times when I was testing the new design for Paul Wu. I also helped Joe Smith fix his aftermarket clutch and pulled that out about 5 times. All purely discretionary. Where do you count discretionary costs and when do you not?

If you're looking for a comparison of costs, then I'd stick to what is required maintenance and not inflate the figures with discretionary costs.

Chris

 

[Mike337]

I think he's saying, 'Don't tell me your 1st worn parts are replaced @45,000 miles but you put some performance parts in it @ 20,000.' A 'rolling' 50,000 miles? Probably everything completely rebuilt once, and it'd be ready for a 2nd rebuild @ 50,000 miles. <~~Purely speculation on what I read on here. So how much would that cost? I'm REAL interested in knowing some numbers too.
Great question/thread.

 

[Chatman128]

Caveat: currently, I do all my own work

Having seen similar threads on cruiser forums and ... based on shop rates I heard from those being applicable to this venue, I'd expect this number to be somewhere in the range of $1300 to $2100. I'm assuming 14-15 oil changes, 2 or so belts, one valve check and one initial 600 mile fleecing (to get you feeling right about the rest). This would be for my situation which is ~22K miles/yr. So it would be $600 to $1000 /yr.

My real expense have been more like $315 for 22K miles (+$3.09 for a lost brake bolt ) so I expect my 50K figure to be about $550 - $750.

 

[Desert Rat]

Just wild guess

DaveJ
I don't know how this info will be accurate.
#1 How many Burgman riders of any model ride the same bike to 50k................ not many
#2 How many that come close to 50k (like me) have the dealer do the repairs............. not many.

So if you are trying to show that a 400 cost more in repairs to make it to 50k miles then a 650 my guess is 2-3 grand . My cost to make it to 46k+ was more like couple hundred.

That said I still wouldn't go back to a 400 even though the CVT on my 650 is going to fail next week (according to all the doomsday posts). :laughing5:

 

[Mike337]

^^^ "Doomsday predictions". I was so sick of them with a past snowmobile that I couldn't even enjoy riding it I was so worried! I gave in to the Internet doomsayers and sold it! Still upsets me.

 

[Dave_J]

Like what I posted over on the Pre 07 page, I kind of sense that I will not get an up front honest answer. Some may report what it cost for them to do the work, OK how many hours X $110 per hour.

Talk me into buying a 400 and not another DREADFUL 650.

 

[Mike337]

At 15 mpg better, the 400 will save you $1111.11 on gas in 50,000.

 

[TheDarkCutlass]

Not to try and stir stuff up anymore than everything already has, think the reason your not getting much response is that most people on this forum do most of their own work.

But to try and help what you are trying to accomplish, think the only thing 'extra' that the 400 needs a little more service work with is the belt needs changing, honestly right now can't quote what suzuki recommends (want to say 20k miles?), nor can I quote a price as I've never looked into it. But if I had to GUESS! at a shop rate, maybe 2 hours? I know I personally can change belt in about 30 minutes (heck, did it on side of interstate once!) but we know how dealers are, so 2 hours would be a good guess.

Everything else is equal with the 650. Oil changes, filter changes, etc... are all going to be @ the same milage, and probably at the same costs. I know you 'should' replace the muffler gasket whenever you take it off to change rear tire, not sure if 650 requires that? And not sure about the dollar-for-dollar comparison on tire life between the 2, but imagine they couldn't be that far off.

And since I'm open, here are how things are on my 400 as I type that need work done to them:
STPS acting up again (although this is a Suzuki problem, not just 400, happens to nearly all their bikes)
Steering Head Bearings need replacement
Replaced Starter (well, got a used one, $400 for a starter is ridiculous, not sure what 650's cost is)
Replaced battery twice now (just 2nd last week)
Belt has been replaced twice (and needs changing again by how it 'feels' on take off)
Variator Pulley and Clutch Pulley's more than likely need replacing too, haven't checked the specs on them yet though, again, just by what it 'feels' like.
Clutch probably needs replacing by now (see note on pulleys).
And body work, but thats a different issue.

I'm quite sure if I took my bike in in its current condition to a dealer, I'd be dropping $2500+ to get it back up to where it needs to be.

 

[Mike337]

Yep, at minimum of $80.00 per hour, but more likely $100.00 to $120.00 per hour, it'll add up to a financial disaster fast!
Are Hondas any better? : (

 

[Mike337]

At 15 mpg better, the 400 will save you $1111.11 on gas in 50,000.

I believe the 400 uses at least one liter less oil per change.

 

[TheDarkCutlass]

O yea, add one more to the list, my seat cover is splitting. (bike is never garaged or covered)

 

[Bill-Bill]

Why not take the scoot to a dealer and get an estimate on what the cost will be. Most places will not charge for that. You should ask if they do charge for an estimate before you have them give you one. Asking on the forum all you are getting are guesses as to what the cost will be.

Bill

 

[Dave_J]

Ok, in about another 6 months I may be looking for a "New to me" bike. I do NOT want to jump from the major problemed 650 into a 400 if the maintenance cost are as high in 50,000 miles. I will be using the 650 for a reverse trike till it blows up. I will not be going BMW for sure.

 

[mikeyMarine]

total costs?
not as much as the total grins are worth

 

[Mike337]

For a guy who puts a lot of miles on, it seems like a lot of maintenance to me. Are the Hondas any better? I'm making payments on mine, and it would be nice to know that I could ride it for miles and miles and it would still be worth more then scrap steel at the end of my payments.

 

[Chatman128]

Like what I posted over on the Pre 07 page, I kind of sense that I will not get an up front honest answer. Some may report what it cost for them to do the work, OK how many hours X $110 per hour.

Talk me into buying a 400 and not another DREADFUL 650.

Using the $110 shop rate I figure it'll be about $1838 (if someone were foolish enough to pay me $110 an hour, it'd be more like $2800).

I'm not very adept at tire changing. A set of tires would be something like $500 a tire and I do 2 rears and a front per year

 

[mikeyMarine]

ok Dave here goes, the reason I need a 400 instead of a 650, if I'm sitting at a stop light and some pimply faced snot wad pulls up beside me on a yamahahahahmamamama and I am on the 650 I would be tempted to slide my thumb over to the power switch, not wise, on the 400, I just pull a $20.00 out of my pocket and drop it just as the light changes and watch in my rear view as he and the bike fall over in the street as he tries to catch it ,


did you ever notice my computer stutters?

 

[alloo]

I would say $250 every 3500 miles.
$500 every 14,500 miles + parts
Rear tire every 8000 miles
Front tire every 16000 miles
Battery after four years
Whatever accessories, clothing, helmet.
Insurance + registration fees annually.