Traffic lights...
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I have not had that problem with the Burgman. It seems to have enough mass to trip the sensors used here in Arizona. I did have the problem when I owned a smaller bike up in Oregon however. I wait untill I can't stand it anymore and I've scouted out the area to make sure there are no cops around. Then I just go through the light when it is safe to do so.
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Stop light trigger
Check the catalogs and your local shops. I had the problem here in SC with my 650. Spent $10 on a little magnet thingy that I ziptied to the crossmember of my centerstand. Haven't had the Problem Since. Here, the sensors are looking for a magnetic field. If there is a rectangular cut out in the surfaced of the the road at the light, the wire that senses the field is there.
Additionally, if you will stop to one side of the lane, above the cut out, that will often work. :idea:
Check the catalogs and your local shops. I had the problem here in SC with my 650. Spent $10 on a little magnet thingy that I ziptied to the crossmember of my centerstand. Haven't had the Problem Since. Here, the sensors are looking for a magnetic field. If there is a rectangular cut out in the surfaced of the the road at the light, the wire that senses the field is there.
Additionally, if you will stop to one side of the lane, above the cut out, that will often work. :idea:
There's a $12 device called "Green Light" at http://www.greenlightstuff.com/learn_trigger.html
that supposedly solves this problem. I think that the price was $10 last week and just went up. Some people use two of them to further ensure that all lights sense the cycle.
that supposedly solves this problem. I think that the price was $10 last week and just went up. Some people use two of them to further ensure that all lights sense the cycle.
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Traffic Light doesn't change
I have a Burgman 650 and a Suzuki V-Strom. I've encountered the non-changing red light issue here in the Omaha, NE area 5 or 6 times this year. It seems to happen more often with the scooter (which weighs more than the V-Strom). That may just be bad luck - I don't know. What I do, is wait until the coast is clear - and go through the red light. That is, of course, after I've waited for 2-3 times the normal change interval. Although I feel like a bad boy when I do that, I am certainly not inclined to camp out overnight at a malfunctioning red light!
I have a Burgman 650 and a Suzuki V-Strom. I've encountered the non-changing red light issue here in the Omaha, NE area 5 or 6 times this year. It seems to happen more often with the scooter (which weighs more than the V-Strom). That may just be bad luck - I don't know. What I do, is wait until the coast is clear - and go through the red light. That is, of course, after I've waited for 2-3 times the normal change interval. Although I feel like a bad boy when I do that, I am certainly not inclined to camp out overnight at a malfunctioning red light!
Out here in California, nearly all of the traffic sensors work through picking-up a magnetic field.
If you are not picked up by a sensor using magnetic field, the solution is simple: Slight lower your side kickstand and make it touch the asphalt... it will be close enough to get picked-up by the sensor. Sometimes you may need to be closer to the "strip" ....
If you are not picked up by a sensor using magnetic field, the solution is simple: Slight lower your side kickstand and make it touch the asphalt... it will be close enough to get picked-up by the sensor. Sometimes you may need to be closer to the "strip" ....
It's actually been a law here for a long time, that if the Traffic Light is malfunctioning, drivers are allowed to run after making a diligent effort to determine that 1) It is malfuntioning and 2) To proceed through the intersection only if "safe" --- Now that is NOT the exact verbage of the law, but it sounded something like that to me....roy_ryall said:
If the sensor system does not pick up the bike, then it would be considered a malfuntion...
Could you find that in the motor vehicle code? I have asked several cops that question & they all have told me they would not write me a ticket but they say there might be some that would. It would be very useful to be able to have the information available if you are stopped. I have this problem quite often. (Will have to try the kick-stand idea tomorrow as there is one light near here I always have the problem with.)
Another problem is the cutout part on the street is often halfway across the stop line. If you try to center the bike on the cutout you are over the stop line.
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The specific Tennessee code that applies:
55-8-110. Traffic-control signals.
(a) Whenever traffic is controlled by traffic-control signals exhibiting the words "Go," "Caution" or "Stop," or exhibiting different colored lights successively one (1) at a time, or with arrows, the following colors only shall be used and the terms and lights shall indicate and apply to drivers or vehicles and pedestrians as follows:
(1) Green alone or "Go":
(A) Vehicular traffic facing the signal may proceed straight through or turn right or left unless a sign at such place prohibits either such turn. But vehicular traffic, including vehicles turning right or left, shall yield the right-of-way to other vehicles and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk at the time such signal is exhibited; and
(B) Pedestrians facing the signal may proceed across the roadway within any marked or unmarked crosswalk;
(2) Yellow alone or "Caution," when shown following the green or "Go" signal:
(A) Vehicular traffic facing the signal is thereby warned that the red or "Stop" signal will be exhibited immediately thereafter and such vehicular traffic shall not enter or cross the intersection when the red or "Stop" signal is exhibited; and
(B) Pedestrians facing such signal are thereby advised that there is insufficient time to cross the roadway, and any pedestrian then starting to cross shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles;
(3) Red alone or "Stop":
(A) Vehicular traffic facing the signal shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until green or "Go" is shown alone. A right turn on a red signal shall be permitted at all intersections within the state; provided, that the prospective turning car shall come to a full and complete stop before turning and that the turning car shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and cross traffic traveling in accordance with their traffic signal. However, such turn will not endanger other traffic lawfully using the intersection. A right turn on red shall be permitted at all intersections, except those that are clearly marked by a "No Turns On Red" sign, which may be erected by the responsible municipal or county governments at intersections which they decide require no right turns on red in the interest of traffic safety;
(B) No pedestrian facing such signal shall enter the roadway unless such entry can be made safely and without interfering with any vehicular traffic; and
(C) A left turn on a red or stop signal shall be permitted at all intersections within the state where a one-way street intersects with another one-way street moving in the same direction into which the left turn would be made from the original one-way street. Before making such a turn, the prospective turning car shall come to a full and complete stop and shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and cross traffic traveling in accordance with the traffic signal so as not to endanger traffic lawfully using the intersection. A left turn on red shall be permitted at any applicable intersection except that clearly marked by a "No Turn on Red" sign, which may be erected by the responsible municipal or county governments at intersections which such governments decide require no left turns on red in the interest of traffic safety;
(4) Red with green arrow:
(A) Vehicular traffic facing such signal may cautiously enter the intersection only to make the movement indicated by such arrow, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within a crosswalk and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection; and
(B) No pedestrian facing such signal shall enter the roadway unless such entry can be made safely and without interfering with any vehicular traffic;
(5) In the event an official traffic-control signal is erected and maintained at a place other than an intersection, the provisions of this section shall be applicable except as to those provisions which by their nature can have no application. Any stop required shall be made at a sign or marking on the pavement indicating where the stop shall be made, but in the absence of any such sign or marking the stop shall be made at the signal;
(6) The operator of any streetcar shall obey the above signals as applicable to vehicles;
(7) All electric highway, street and road vehicular traffic-control signals in Tennessee shall have a uniform arrangement of the colored lenses in the various signal faces of such signals, as follows: In each signal face, all red lenses in vertical signals shall be located above all yellow and green lenses, and in horizontal signals, to the left of all yellow and green lenses. Yellow lenses shall be located between any red lens or lenses and all other lenses; and
(8) Whenever in this state three-light traffic-control signals are used displaying successively green, yellow, and red lights for the direction of motorists and pedestrians, the minimum time exposure of the yellow light shall be three (3) seconds. Any state agency or any political subdivision of the state that installs, owns, operates, or maintains any such traffic-control signal light shall set or cause to be set the timing-control device for any such signal light in compliance with this subdivision.
(b) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a traffic-control signal utilizing a vehicle detection device that is inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle shall come to a full and complete stop at the intersection and, after exercising due care as provided by law, may proceed with due caution when it is safe to do so. It is not a defense to a violation of § 55-8-109 that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the belief that a traffic-control signal utilized a vehicle detection device or was inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not utilize a vehicle detection device or that any such device was not in fact inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle.
55-8-110. Traffic-control signals.
(a) Whenever traffic is controlled by traffic-control signals exhibiting the words "Go," "Caution" or "Stop," or exhibiting different colored lights successively one (1) at a time, or with arrows, the following colors only shall be used and the terms and lights shall indicate and apply to drivers or vehicles and pedestrians as follows:
(1) Green alone or "Go":
(A) Vehicular traffic facing the signal may proceed straight through or turn right or left unless a sign at such place prohibits either such turn. But vehicular traffic, including vehicles turning right or left, shall yield the right-of-way to other vehicles and to pedestrians lawfully within the intersection or an adjacent crosswalk at the time such signal is exhibited; and
(B) Pedestrians facing the signal may proceed across the roadway within any marked or unmarked crosswalk;
(2) Yellow alone or "Caution," when shown following the green or "Go" signal:
(A) Vehicular traffic facing the signal is thereby warned that the red or "Stop" signal will be exhibited immediately thereafter and such vehicular traffic shall not enter or cross the intersection when the red or "Stop" signal is exhibited; and
(B) Pedestrians facing such signal are thereby advised that there is insufficient time to cross the roadway, and any pedestrian then starting to cross shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles;
(3) Red alone or "Stop":
(A) Vehicular traffic facing the signal shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until green or "Go" is shown alone. A right turn on a red signal shall be permitted at all intersections within the state; provided, that the prospective turning car shall come to a full and complete stop before turning and that the turning car shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and cross traffic traveling in accordance with their traffic signal. However, such turn will not endanger other traffic lawfully using the intersection. A right turn on red shall be permitted at all intersections, except those that are clearly marked by a "No Turns On Red" sign, which may be erected by the responsible municipal or county governments at intersections which they decide require no right turns on red in the interest of traffic safety;
(B) No pedestrian facing such signal shall enter the roadway unless such entry can be made safely and without interfering with any vehicular traffic; and
(C) A left turn on a red or stop signal shall be permitted at all intersections within the state where a one-way street intersects with another one-way street moving in the same direction into which the left turn would be made from the original one-way street. Before making such a turn, the prospective turning car shall come to a full and complete stop and shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and cross traffic traveling in accordance with the traffic signal so as not to endanger traffic lawfully using the intersection. A left turn on red shall be permitted at any applicable intersection except that clearly marked by a "No Turn on Red" sign, which may be erected by the responsible municipal or county governments at intersections which such governments decide require no left turns on red in the interest of traffic safety;
(4) Red with green arrow:
(A) Vehicular traffic facing such signal may cautiously enter the intersection only to make the movement indicated by such arrow, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within a crosswalk and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection; and
(B) No pedestrian facing such signal shall enter the roadway unless such entry can be made safely and without interfering with any vehicular traffic;
(5) In the event an official traffic-control signal is erected and maintained at a place other than an intersection, the provisions of this section shall be applicable except as to those provisions which by their nature can have no application. Any stop required shall be made at a sign or marking on the pavement indicating where the stop shall be made, but in the absence of any such sign or marking the stop shall be made at the signal;
(6) The operator of any streetcar shall obey the above signals as applicable to vehicles;
(7) All electric highway, street and road vehicular traffic-control signals in Tennessee shall have a uniform arrangement of the colored lenses in the various signal faces of such signals, as follows: In each signal face, all red lenses in vertical signals shall be located above all yellow and green lenses, and in horizontal signals, to the left of all yellow and green lenses. Yellow lenses shall be located between any red lens or lenses and all other lenses; and
(8) Whenever in this state three-light traffic-control signals are used displaying successively green, yellow, and red lights for the direction of motorists and pedestrians, the minimum time exposure of the yellow light shall be three (3) seconds. Any state agency or any political subdivision of the state that installs, owns, operates, or maintains any such traffic-control signal light shall set or cause to be set the timing-control device for any such signal light in compliance with this subdivision.
(b) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a traffic-control signal utilizing a vehicle detection device that is inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle shall come to a full and complete stop at the intersection and, after exercising due care as provided by law, may proceed with due caution when it is safe to do so. It is not a defense to a violation of § 55-8-109 that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the belief that a traffic-control signal utilized a vehicle detection device or was inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not utilize a vehicle detection device or that any such device was not in fact inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle.
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