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We have had the maxi Scooters now for about 14 years. Time for the Big guns to go BOOM again like they did in the early 80s when the big Four all built 1000cc 4 cylinder machines. Its time for the 700 lbs plus 900cc plus Mega Scooter. I don't think the question is if but when.

Here is another 1st. With all the ABS and traction control these days I think it is a matter of when not if we will see the first motorcycle or scooter with one brake lever controlling both front and rear brakes. Not everyone rides to go fast or hit the apex of a corner as fast as they can.

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Here is another 1st. With all the ABS and traction control these days I think it is a matter of when not if we will see the first motorcycle or scooter with one brake lever controlling both front and rear brakes. Not everyone rides to go fast or hit the apex of a corner as fast as they can.

Never say never!
I won't say never, but highly doubtful you'll ever see a one brake only bike. There are too many braking situations when the front brake isn't appropriate, like sand patches and such. They've had linked systems for years, but full on single brake... I wouldn't ride it.
 

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Honda brought an st1300 which was auto it was a flop lasted 1 year
Agreed, Honda missed the mark on that one. The Goldwing had the "Hondamatic" back in the day too. Didn't do so well. MCs with autos just aren't accepted.

But the market for this new "Mega-scooter" (can I copy-write that term?), would be scooter people wanting to upgrade or perhaps the retiring MC rider who doesn't want to hang it up quite yet, but still wants liter class power. Lots of old baby boomers out there with full retire accounts.

I think the world is getting more accepting of scooters. It's just a matter of time for a 900cc bike. There's already an 800.
 

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Honda brought an st1300 which was auto it was a flop lasted 1 year
Honda also came out with DN-01 hybrid scooter/motorcycle. Didn't last long....couple years or so. 2009 was the last year. My 92 yr old Dad is riding one now. :) Riding that is what got me thinking about maxi scooters. I doubt if larger scooters than the 650 would have enough appeal to survive. Price and scooter image are two big reasons.
 

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I too would like to see a Mega-scooter, somewhere in the 900 to 1000cc's. Unfortunately most people that ride motorcycles think that one has to "shift" gears to be a true motorcycle. if Suzuki made a 1500cc scooter I don't think the motorcycle world would except it as equal to a motorcycle. After all, you would step thru the frame and of course it would be automatic. I personally have been putting off my decision to buy an FJR sports touring bike but I hate the idea of shifting. My last big bike, a "R" series BMW had to be shifted. After 10 years on machines like the Burgman that you just "twist" and go has spoiled me.
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Here is another 1st. With all the ABS and traction control these days I think it is a matter of when not if we will see the first motorcycle or scooter with one brake lever controlling both front and rear brakes. Not everyone rides to go fast or hit the apex of a corner as fast as they can.
My BMW 2003 R1200CLC had linked ABS brakes. The braking was exactly the same whether you used the front brake lever or the foot brake. They used it on a lot of BMW during that time until they changed it in 2007 so you could use the rear independently. They were also power assisted. I liked them a lot.
 

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Honda also sold the VFR1200 with the DCT tranny (nice bike) which is also in the NC700D, both sold (sell) only a fraction of what their shifty versions did (maybe the added cost was a factor, but I think most was built in bias). I really like the idea of a big auto bike (would love for my ST1300 to be an auto), but I'm in the minority.
 

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I would probably buy a Burgman 950. For now, its easier to just turn the '6' upside down.

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Honda also came out with DN-01 hybrid scooter/motorcycle. Didn't last long....couple years or so. 2009 was the last year. My 92 yr old Dad is riding one now. :) Riding that is what got me thinking about maxi scooters. I doubt if larger scooters than the 650 would have enough appeal to survive. Price and scooter image are two big reasons.
Interesting timing.....looks like Honda hasn't given up on the idea.....
http://www.gizmag.com/honda-vultus-...ail&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-8947337908-90400301
 

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Interesting timing.....looks like Honda hasn't given up on the idea.....
http://www.gizmag.com/honda-vultus-...ail&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-8947337908-90400301
On the Vultus, and other Honda automatic bikes coming out now, how is this a "motorcycle" and the Burgman is a "scooter"? What defines the difference between "scooter" and "motorcycle" when they both have very similar engines?

I know when I first saw the Vultus from the side I thought that the engine looked very much like a CVT. Of course it is, after further research.
 

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On the Vultus, and other Honda automatic bikes coming out now, how is this a "motorcycle" and the Burgman is a "scooter"? What defines the difference between "scooter" and "motorcycle" when they both have very similar engines?
They are all "rides" or "bikes"
Different feature sets is all. Time to move on from the scooter thing when it comes to the maxi versions.
 

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This is the paragraph about the Vultus that got my attention.....

In the real world, most CB750s averaged around 35-40 mpg and that is where the biggest single performance difference can be seen between the two – the NM4 delivers better than 80 mpg. That's miserly scooter-like gas-pump-performance from a motorcycle capable of outperforming any car this side of $100,000, and it'll easily leave a supercar behind without ever raising its revs beyond that torque-laden mid-range.

What we haven't seen yet is what the price tag will be.... the DN-01 was around $15K.... hopefully Honda learned from the DN-01, but I'm sure it won't be cheap. The DCT (dual clutch) tranny sounds impressive, but has to be costly.
 

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Aprilla has the SRV 850 but I don't believe it's sold here and it's about $$$$. Acording to the article below the loaded model is $17,490, ouch.

http://www.aprilia.com/en-US/Model/94847/SRV+850/Overview.aspx
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles...ia/2013-aprilia-srv-850-abs-atc-ar156625.html

The Aprilla is of course based on the short lived Gilera GP 800.

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/gilera/2008-gilera-gp-800-ar52639.html

I'd be interested in a bigger Burgman with Sport Touring styling. It would have been nice had BMW made their scooters more like the lovely K1600.
 

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Honda developed the E4-01 900cc Scooter a few years ago.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/4712/

It was a 900cc Triple cylinder with Shaft drive.
There is a video showing that it was a an actual running prototype.
Pity they never bought it into production.
I would have been at the front of the queue! :D

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Yeah, I remember that presentation, but i still think it's a futuristic design i'm not quite ready for yet.
 

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Aprilla has the SRV 850 but I don't believe it's sold here and it's about $$$$. Acording to the article below the loaded model is $17,490, ouch.

http://www.aprilia.com/en-US/Model/94847/SRV+850/Overview.aspx
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles...ia/2013-aprilia-srv-850-abs-atc-ar156625.html

The Aprilla is of course based on the short lived Gilera GP 800.

http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/gilera/2008-gilera-gp-800-ar52639.html

I'd be interested in a bigger Burgman with Sport Touring styling. It would have been nice had BMW made their scooters more like the lovely K1600.
I'm wondering if this the same drive train as the Aprillia Mana?
 

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Wonder how many buyer would pay $16,000.00 - $18,000.00 for Honda E4-01 scooter.
 
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