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While out riding yesterday i looked down to see a RED F I on the dash, and then a flashing F I on the trip meter.
Rode it straight to the dealer , shut it off and when we went to look at it the code was gone.
He said sometimes they do this and to continue riding and see if it comes back ??

Not being conversant with what an F I code really means , and the owners manual was pretty vague, :?: do i have anything to worry about ??
 

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Hi DandyDoug I've been seeing the fi light on my 2003 19000 mile 650 if you do a bit of research on the forum it will tell you how to get the code up on the dash then you can get to the root of the problem assuming there is one.mine throws up code c50 every now and then but the scoot runs fine with this showing hope this helps
 

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In just over 46k miles on my 400 the F1 light came on 3 or 4 times. Never found the problem just chalked it up to those Burgman Gremlins. Has come on once on my 650 ran fine. Shut it off & restarted & still on. Rode home let sit overnight & didn't come back. So the Burgman Gremlin must like 650's also. :roll: As I sold my 400 a week before I bought my 650 Gremlin must have been hiding in the garage when the 650 showed up. :lol:
 

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The codes are lost when you turn off the key. To be able to find out what the code is you will have to put the computer in dealer mode before it is shut off. You do this by connecting two pins in a connector located under the seat on the left front side. Couple of ways to do that, one is to just stick the ends of a wire into the two pin's holes. That is the simple and cheap method. The other is to acquire the switch that Suzuki sells that plugs into the connector. You can hook it and leave it connected then when the F I indicator comes on just flip the switch to on so you can read the code.

As to whether it is something to worry about, that depends on what cause the F I light. All the F I light means is that the computer received a reading from one of the sensors that was outside the range that is considered normal. It might have been a one time glitch or it might be reoccurring and indicates you have something wrong that needs to be fixed. The only way to know that is to find out what code was set and go through the test procedure for that code to determine what caused it to be set.
 

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I am taking a day trip to Raleigh on Saturday , if the light comes on again I will take it to the shop and have it checked.

Wonder if it could be a temperature sensitive issue, when we came out from lunch the thermometer on the bike said it was 110 degrees , but it had been sitting in the direct sun for an hour or so. I saw a reading earlier up on the BRP that said 85 !
Looks like we skipped spring and went directly to summer :D
 

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My 400 had a few F1 episodes in the beginning. I have come up with three best practices in operating the bike.

1. If you power up the ignition and don't start the bike, it can cause minor problems. (hard starting the next time, and confuse the computer). I always start my bike and let it run for a minute if I need to do something like reset the clock or oil meter.

2. I always turn on the ignition and wait a second or two after the self test is performed and the FI light goes out before starting.

3. Avoid powerful, emissions of RF. The two times where the FI came on, and the meters swept full scale, where while riding past (within 1/4 mile) of a large ground level airport radar emitter. I know it is an emitter since I used to live a few miles from it and I could hear it sweep some of my HAM radio gear. This is also the road I travel to the Suzuki dealer. I brought it up with them before figuring it out. Pass by and get caught in the beam, ka pow, it is a odd thing to see, but the bike didn't miss a beat, just induced the meters to act up.

Hope your problem goes away, and you get to enjoy the bike.
 

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My 2012 650 has done this 4 times in 11670 miles. Third time took it to the dealer without shutting it down this time,they found no sub-fault codes or problems. I did note that it stumbled when I first started it the last 2 times,as if it was a cold start or a miss-fire. After it runs fine and clears the code after you shut it down for a short time. One of the times it happened right after I filled up the scoot with gas. Who Knows???? :!: :!: :!:
 

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From the reply's so far I'm thinking it's a lot like the question ;
how do two stroke motors run ?
no suck , bang , push, blow !!

Answer;
Witches and elves , it's a black art :?

While i like the convenience of fuel injection , I still appreciate the ability to tune a carburetor, and a points ignition system to get home safely.

As Joe Lucas said; "gentleman do not motor about after dark"

If any of you need help with your Amal carburetors let me know. :D
 

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I have found it is possible to retrieve the code after shutting it off and restarting it within 1-2 seconds . My advice is bring a jumper wire (or wire in a switch as below) and info from LeDude's web site on retrieving the code. When you get the F1 light pull over and put the bike on the centerstand still running, turn the key off quickly, pop the seat, and then restart the bike. If you did it quick enough the F1 light will still be on and you can then raise the seat and install the jumper wire to read the code. I do this with my left hand holding the brake lever, turning the key off-popping the seat-back on with my right hand, and then pushing the starter button with the right hand. I never touch the start/run switch, just leave it on.

One can also remote wire in a switch from the diag connector to say the front storage box as well. Then you will be ready to go, just open the storage box, and push the switch to read the code even while riding.
 

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In general treat the F I light kind of like you would treat the check engine light on a car. It tells you the computer has encountered something out of the ordinary but it's not necessarily a significant problem. If it is something the computer thinks will cause significant damage to the engine it will usually put the bike in limp home mode. In that mode it will run but not very well and if you kill the engine it may not restart.
 

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I have had one FI code on my 2012 so far but as usual shut the bike off and the code went away. Took it to the dealer and they could or would not check into it unless the code was displayed. I hooked up a switch that I can turn on if/when another code appears. When I turn on the switch,it is mounted on my cup holder,the code will still be displayed as long as I leave the toggle switch on.I have tested it and it does work but have not had any codes show up since.
 

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My 2005 just did the same thing although mine came on after I put my battery in for the first time this spring. No fault code shows up but unable to start the engine. Any suggestions?
 

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Scoop said:
My 2005 just did the same thing although mine came on after I put my battery in for the first time this spring. No fault code shows up but unable to start the engine. Any suggestions?
We need a few more details: did the starter solenoid click in? Did the starter motor turn over?
 

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Thanks for replying. I found a broken wire which I have to fix so hopefully that will take care of the problem.
 

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DandyDoug said:
While out riding yesterday i looked down to see a RED F I on the dash, and then a flashing F I on the trip meter.
Rode it straight to the dealer , shut it off and when we went to look at it the code was gone.
He said sometimes they do this and to continue riding and see if it comes back ??

Not being conversant with what an F I code really means , and the owners manual was pretty vague, :?: do i have anything to worry about ??
Mine did the same thing today for the 1st time ever. I've got maybe 1600 miles on the new baby. Reading down a few suggestions, someone mentioned turning on the ignition without starting the bike could have caused it. I did just that after the previous ride: After shutting down I turned the ignition back on to fold in the mirrors.
Today when I noticed the light, I pulled over and shut her down. When I restarted the light was off, and stayed off the rest of the ride. I'm not concerned yet.
 

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Threw an F1 today on my way home from work. Had been riding for about 4 minutes and it popped up. Pulled over, turned off the ignition and restarted and all appears ok. Outside temp was 90+ (don't know if that had anything to do with it). Bike is a 2012 with just over 3,000 miles. I'll keep on riding and hoping for the best.

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