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Heh, no surprise there.
Had some verified stuff like that here that the CDC was 'fessing up to, including noting that they were doing a terrible job while Gov Insleaze was playing up their numbers (and contradicting that and calling it a rumor) in the same conference...
Ain't no doubt that this thing's real, & that it gets around, but some of the data is just bad as far as death rates and infection rates go.
That ain't even counting the nuanced stuff like the efficacy of masks etc.
 

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Thanks Tromper for paying attention, these people and their numbers determine the course of action this Nation takes.

 

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ROTFLMAO......
And the source for this article is BizPacReview, a hard-right leaning website that states..... "touted by the top conservatives in the world, including Donald Trump Jr., Dan Bongino, Dinesh D’Souza, James Woods, Kris Paronto, Candace Owens, Larry Elder, and Sarah Palin."
If the world's biggest liar touts them, well need I say more?

Statistics in the US are being politically driven instead of health driven. And the world watches as you reap what you sow. So sad watching your death rates skyrocket with no end in site. My condolences to those losing loved ones due to your national stupidity!
 

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Oddly from what I've seen the number of deaths is definitely up, & by observing hospitals in major cities filling up I can say that there is an increase in actual cases, but the actual death "rate" is statistically lower.

Americans are a stubborn and willful bunch in general. My observations locally have been crowded beaches and recently a full casino.
Not universally, & as something of a natural at social distancing this sort of thing does not include me, but I'm seeing those who are more social than myself (most of humanity) have reached the end of panic to some extent and appear to have made their peace with this phage & that they will likely get it.
I'm not sure if this is the majority or not since, by the nature of the behavior, I'm obviously not seeing much of those who are still isolating, nor am I seeing much of folks like myself who are getting out and about but staying away from crowds and such. Picnics and such with my SO are both fun and sometimes epic (had a great one in Stampede Pass last week...)

Far as the bug itself goes, it's a roll of the dice with a few known modifiers. Some die, & at the other end some get the sniffles and a little coughing, with most in between.
The person I know best who did catch it had about 2 weeks of coughing, with his SO getting it a bit worse and bruising ribs with the worst of it, but both ultimately recovering.
I personally have no desire to get it.

With that said. To live at all is to embrace some risk.
Unlike authoritarians of any stripe I respect an individual's right to choose their own level of risk acceptance, & course of action.
This can be Darwinian of course, but the choice is theirs. This doesn't mean I'm heading to the casino and starting a hugfest with 'em.

My thoughts on how are peerless rulers are handling things, from POTUS to Gov Insleaze (of WA) is that they are demonstrating both willful authoritarianism and political reaction vs. actually leading.
Leading would involve presenting things in an adult fashion to adults and guiding to wisdom vs. forcing it. Forcing things like that on many denezins of the U.S. just gets their hackles up, but that of course leads to more divisiveness which is a politically handy thing to have if you're the right kind of sleaze I guess.

I'll stop now before I get further into this since this is a bike forum; albeit in the "Tavern" section. Things like this are likely best left for other forums and such as they are truly a discussion that involves in depth thought and true discussion vs. the somewhat lighthearted approach one should expect in this arena.

So...
Keep the shiny side up and keep on with our favorite form of social distancing..Post pics if ya go some place nifty :D

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ROTFLMAO......
And the source for this article is BizPacReview, a hard-right leaning website that states..... "touted by the top conservatives in the world, including Donald Trump Jr., Dan Bongino, Dinesh D’Souza, James Woods, Kris Paronto, Candace Owens, Larry Elder, and Sarah Palin."
If the world's biggest liar touts them, well need I say more?

Statistics in the US are being politically driven instead of health driven. And the world watches as you reap what you sow. So sad watching your death rates skyrocket with no end in site. My condolences to those losing loved ones due to your national stupidity!
 

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Tromper, like you said you have seen a couple get it and live, I have seen one frontline RN Nurse get it and she stayed home with husband and two college age students and they didn’t get it and all are alive.

If one were to believe the numbers in the U.S.A we would be in gridlock with Funeral Processions.

Moral of the story: Don’t wreck and die folks.
 
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My son is an epidemiologist. His current thinking is that the amount of testing has gone up so we have a much higher number of cases. However we know how to treat it in the early stages so the mortality rate is much lower than it was before. Both sides of the political spectrum are fudging the numbers to suit their agendas as we get closer to the election. The current actual fatality rate is less than 1.2%. I myself tested positive for it and was sick for less than 3 days, I felt like dying for one day, the other two just felt 'off'. I have virtually no immune system due to treatment for an ongoing health issue and my doctor had told me I would die if I caught it. He obviously was wrong. Every single individual will react differently to having the flu, some will be worse and some will never know they have it. All we can do is follow the CDC's guidelines and hope for the best.
 

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Texas hospitals are running out of drugs, beds, ventilators and even staff (Texas Tribune, July 14, 2020)
Many Texas hospitals are no longer accepting transfer patients in order to maintain space for a surge that’s expected to come. In some parts of the state, it’s already here.

A coronavirus patient in Anahuac was flown by helicopter to a hospital in El Campo — 120 miles away — because closer facilities could not take him.

Ambulances are waiting up to 10 hours to deliver patients to packed Hidalgo County emergency rooms.

And short-staffed hospitals in Midland and Odessa have had to turn away ailing COVID-19 patients from rural West Texas facilities that can’t offer the care they need.

As the tally of coronavirus infections climbs higher each day, Texas hospitals are taking extraordinary steps to make space for a surge of patients. Some facilities in South Texas say they are dangerously close to filling up, while hospitals elsewhere are taking precautionary measures to keep their numbers manageable.

Doctors warn of shortages of an antiviral drug that shows promise for treating COVID-19 patients. And epidemiologists say the state’s hospitals may be in for a longer, harder ride than places like New York, where hospitals were stretched to capacity in the spring and some parked refrigerated trailers outside to store bodies of people who died from COVID-19.
 

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Statistics in the US are being politically driven instead of health driven. And the world watches as you reap what you sow. So sad watching your death rates skyrocket with no end in site. My condolences to those losing loved ones due to your national stupidity!
Actually the death rates in the US are going down in the states that follow the CDC guidelines. The outlier states are NY, CA, and IL whose numbers are going up and skewing national statistics according to the CDC. You obviously have some sort of ax to grind politically and that's disappointing when discussing medical issues. I'm not a dem or a repub so I tend to disbelieve both parties when they 'report' the numbers.
 

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Actually the death rates in the US are going down in the states that follow the CDC guidelines. The outlier states are NY, CA, and IL whose numbers are going up and skewing national statistics according to the CDC. You obviously have some sort of ax to grind politically and that's disappointing when discussing medical issues. I'm not a dem or a repub so I tend to disbelieve both parties when they 'report' the numbers.
I don't have any axe to grind because on a direct level I have no skin in the American game. I do however strongly agree with our Canadian Government's decision to keep the border closed to all but essential traffic.
In the overall, I'd trust information from the CDC over the Whitehouse just based on the fact that scientists and medical doctors are science driven and not politically driven. What I do find absolutely disgusting is that POTUS has openly stated that any hospital, state, etc that does not send results to Washington, or who dares to continue to send results to the CDC will be cut off from the drug Remdesivir which has shown some therapeutic use in reducing symptoms (not a cure). How can anyone in good conscience threaten the with holding of a drug from those in need, out of pique?

Personally, I've found that to get the most accurate information possible, I listen to Health Canada, the CDC in the US, the NHS out of Britain, the WHO, and other official national medical organizations around the world who are generally NOT politically aligned. Then take all that information, synthesize that and see if there is a consensus of opinion among the various bodies. That generally takes the politics out of it because each country's political motivation would naturally be different.
What I completely discount are internet memes, especially those who were based on facts known in March at the start of this pandemic, before the science was fully known. Even now, I expect opinions of the medical experts to continue to evolve as they continue to research and discover new properties of this deadly bug. And hopefully, one day one of the vaccines will prove fruitful.

Until then, be responsible for your personal protection, but also keep very cognizant that while a mask doesn't protect me directly, my wearing a mask protects others from me. Their wearing a mask protects me from them. That is how society works, helping each other even if it's a bit inconvenient.

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Actually the death rates in the US are going down in the states that follow the CDC guidelines. The outlier states are NY, CA, and IL whose numbers are going up and skewing national statistics according to the CDC. You obviously have some sort of ax to grind politically
That isn’t accurate, but I’ve seen it repeated on a lot of right wing sites, presumably for political reasons.

Arizona, Alabama, Florida, Connecticut, South Carolina are the top five in death rate increase


The death rate is now starting to catch up with the spike in cases ( a lag of 1 month is normal)

Published 19th August Coronavirus in the U.S.: Where cases are growing and declining
 

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... my wearing a mask protects others from me. Their wearing a mask protects me from them. That is how society works, helping each other even if it's a bit inconvenient...
In my mind, that sounded just like baa-a-a-a-a-a-a-a as I read it. To be clear, I'm not saying masks are useless. No, not at all. They keep my breath near me just a bit longer before the ventilation system picks it up and swirls it about. And I had a smudge on my computer screen that my mask cleared right off. Yep, I'll never die as long as I wear this mask.

To be honest, I think the mask helps to some degree. So I'll wear it out of respect for others and rules. But primarily, I think masks prevents mass hysteria and the sheep from stampeding.

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In my mind, that sounded just like baa-a-a-a-a-a-a-a as I read it. To be clear, I'm not saying masks are useless. No, not at all. They keep my breath near me just a bit longer before the ventilation system picks it up and swirls it about. And I had a smudge on my computer screen that my mask cleared right off. Yep, I'll never die as long as I wear this mask.

To be honest, I think the mask helps to some degree. So I'll wear it out of respect for others and rules. But primarily, I think masks prevents mass hysteria and the sheep from stampeding.

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It all comes down to us all being sheep.

Some are normal sheep and then there's the Black Sheep that will do as they please no matter who or what tries to make them follow the normal sheep. It does not make the black sheep wrong, most times.
But sometimes the black sheep get culled out, otherwise we would have 10,000's of black sheep and no normal sheep.
 
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Initially the "experts" told us we didn't need masks, cause they'd do us no good, unless properly fitted N95, or whatever, we'd be wasting our time. (They feared there weren't enough for the heroes, the health professionals) Then, manufacturing ramped up, and suddenly, masks are good for us now. So, in most places, we MUST wear them. Even if it's a paper towel and rubber bands, or an old bandanna that's been hanging on a nail in the garage for a decade or so. But, in Oregon, you can say you have a medical condition that makes it hard to breathe with a mask, so you don't need one. Also in Oregon, one county passed an ordinance that only Caucasians would be forced to wear a mask, because people of color are already profiled enough for criminal activity, and it would make them nervous to enter a building wearing any face covering. That insanity was eventually rescinded, but it's where we are in today's world with the Chinese Kung Flu hysteria. So, my wife and I wear our masks indoors, like today, into a huge supermarket, where probably 95 percent of the patrons are complying, why some don't, who knows. But, we are saving lives as we push our cart down the aisles, then, casually toss our food onto the same wet, messy rubber conveyor belt that one hundred or more others have tossed their hand picked veggies and meat.
On the other hand, initially, the "experts" told us the USA would see 3.2 Million deaths by July. I hope this last week or so isn't going to really, really ramp up on us, if not... then, we've done One Heck of a Job.

And, yes. Black Sheep's Lives Matter.
 

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The little voice in my head owes you a beer ByronW ....he said “he wants to buy you a beer for being as Politically Incorrect as he is but you are just down right Right !” .... I personally try not to listen to him to much because he always gets me in trouble .🤣
 

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On the other hand, initially, the "experts" told us the USA would see 3.2 Million deaths by July. I hope this last week or so isn't going to really, really ramp up on us, if not... then, we've done One Heck of a Job.
That part isn’t accurate.
Based on the Imperial college model, experts said 2.2 million deaths could occur in the USA if no action to mitigate or suppression was taken (ie no lockdown, social distancing and hygiene promotion).

There was a 3.2 million figure but that was worldwide in the 34 IRC countries based on IRC calculation using Imperial’s model.

They concluded both mitigation and suppression measures would be needed to reduce deaths. Both of those things have happened so we do not know how accurate those numbers were.

I agree that the mask advice does seem to be based on avoiding avoiding panic buying of masks to some extent, although what we know about the virus has changed too.
Also on supermarket conveyor belts, I’ve avoided some places for years because their conveyors were always covered in gloop which made me think the rest of their hygiene was dodgy too. Thankfully the local stores I use have been sterilising their checkouts including the belts with persistent surface treatments .
 
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