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Having trouble making a decision on what bike to buy. Trying to decide between a 2016 Honda PCX 150cc with 800 miles for $2300 OR 2008 Suzuki Burgman 400cc with 6000 miles for $1900. Both are garage kept.

Mainly used for within 20 -30 miles trips with 2 people. Might use for a trip within a state a few times. Consider resale after 2-3 years when I move, so I'm also considering the price drop on each after two years.

The Burgman has been well maintained, but for its age, it does have sign of use, like scratches etc. Honda is kind of new.
Any thoughts? Thanks!
 

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The B400 .... and use the savings to get a nice helmet and jacket.
Call him now and make a PayPal Deposit .
 

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The B400 .... and use the savings to get a nice helmet and jacket.
Call him now and make a PayPal Deposit .
The seller actually gives his helmet and gloves lol. I'm also considering the price drop after 2-3 years because I want to resale it after two years when I move. Comparing both, which will have less price drop? Thanks!
 

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They really are two different bikes ....will this be your first bike ?

Can you sorta explain what a week on two wheels will be for you ?
 
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They really are two different bikes ....will this be your first bike ?

Can you sorta explain what a week on two wheels will be for you ?
Yes, it will be my first bike. I will ride it every day to school (2 mile one way) and 2-3 times a week to groceries (10-30miles). Will carry one passenger every time I ride, and total weight around 280 lbs (one 6ft and one 5ft). I had a few experiences riding a scooter but not many. Thanks a lot!
 

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If it was just you to school everyday for a couple miles i’d say the Honda but since you speak riding two up with on person being 6’ and a total weight of 280# plus groceries or books 40-60 miles round trip I’d say the B400.

I’d say depreciation would be 20-25% for the two years on either one. The B400 would be much better when you first spoke of touring a state. The B400 would allow you to comfortably ride the freeway at freeway speeds better than the Honda 150.
 

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If it was just you to school everyday for a couple miles i’d say the Honda but since you speak riding two up with on person being 6’ and a total weight of 280# plus groceries or books 40-60 miles round trip I’d say the B400.

I’d say depreciation would be 20-25% for the two years on either one. The B400 would be much better when you first spoke of touring a state. The B400 would allow you to comfortably ride the freeway at freeway speeds better than the Honda 150.
Thanks a lot for your suggestion! Yeah it will usually ride two people and school will be more frequent. The other thing I consider is the coming maintenance. With its age and 6000-7000 miles, Burgman might need to change a lot of things. The seller already changed tires, lights, oil, air filter, but I'm not sure if there might be more other big works afterward. I expect at most 2000 miles on it each year. Do you think the upcoming maintenance going to cost a lot?
 

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I like like the way you think....you appear to be Burgman owner already .

Maintenance costs should be similar between the two bikes.
I just want to emphasis that you are getting twice the bike with the Burgman with twice the capabilities.

Are you asking the same questions at a Honda Site ?

It’s hard to see the future on any bike ....I’ve had Honda’s and I’ll swear by their dependability but I see you out growing the Honda 150 after you first state tour doing two up. The Honda is something you can strap to the back of a motor home and the deploy and run to the beach or the camp store to get an Ice Cream. The B400 is something you can pack a tent on then set up camp then run to Walmart and get steaks, potatoes, and charcoal.

They really are two different beasts.

See if the seller will let you ride them ? Do you have your Motorcycle Endorsement yet ?

The honda will feel more comfortable when you first solo but 2-up with groceries the B400 will prove more comfortable in the long run.
 

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I like like the way you think....you appear to be Burgman owner already .

Maintenance costs should be similar between the two bikes.
I just want to emphasis that you are getting twice the bike with the Burgman with twice the capabilities.

Are you asking the same questions at a Honda Site ?

It’s hard to see the future on any bike ....I’ve had Honda’s and I’ll swear by their dependability but I see you out growing the Honda 150 after you first state tour doing two up. The Honda is something you can strap to the back of a motor home and the deploy and run to the beach or the camp store to get an Ice Cream. The B400 is something you can pack a tent on then set up camp then run to Walmart and get steaks, potatoes, and charcoal.

They really are two different beasts.

See if the seller will let you ride them ? Do you have your Motorcycle Endorsement yet ?

The honda will feel more comfortable when you first solo but 2-up with groceries the B400 will prove more comfortable in the long run.
Thank you so much for such detailed info! I'm having the class now and both of them allow me to test drive. After checking the real thing, I will have a final thought about the condition, capability, and reliability. The B400 definitely will be safer for two people and more stable, since Honda is 200lbs lighter than B400. I will check the condition of B400. Do you know what to check or pay attention to when I look at and test drive the scooter? Thanks a lot!
 

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What state do you live in ? Are you near the ocean or someplace with major swings of temperatures with high humidity ? If so I’d take a small flashlight and inspect the fuel tank the best you can. Take a white rag and whip the fuel fill tube looking for signs of rust or dirt.

The B400 has a metal gas tank and you don’t want a dirty rusty one.

Then I’d check the drive line... Gently drive the front tire into a curb then gently apply throttle and see if it wants to drive up over the curb ...if it feels like it wants to do it at low rpm 2k-2.5k rpm your good.

Check the brakes for good stopping and no funky sounds.
Check all lights and buttons work.
Check if tool kit and owners manual is included.

I have a B650 so I’ll put up a Bat Signal to get a B400 specialist to give you more info .

🦇 Paging Uncle Festor , S-Steel and Ducati14 ......Please help a future B400 owner pull the Trigger !
 
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The Honda is a good scooter but will struggle riding two-up. On any two-wheeler I would get some solo miles before going with a passenger...bike becomes a different beast, harder to control and more unpredictable.
 

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Amy, since you are researching the B400 have a look at Mitch’s B400 vids....He is the LeDude of the B400.

 

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I would definitely go for the B400. Last year I bought a 2019 Honda PCX 150 and was very happy with it just riding around town. When it came to riding with my wife and longer trips we struggled with the size and also speed on the highway. It can go 65 no problem when solo riding but with a passenger and going uphill it would slow down and struggle to maintain speed. It is a great little scoot to ride around town and run errands. So this year I was looking for a bigger ride and was looking at a B400. I ended up finding a very well maintained and low mileage 2016 Burg 650 Executive and now I rarely ride my PCX. The 650 is great for longer trips with a passenger and I can ride it on the Interstate no problem and keep with the flow of traffic which my PCX would never do. So again I would highly recommend going with the Burgman 400. I only went with the 650 because it had heated grips and seat and backrest for the passenger which the 400 did not. Also the extra power is awesome too.
 

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Which is better isnt relevant

The 400 weighs significantly more. Is physically much larger see if you can sit on it and push it back with your feet. See if you can put it in the center stand. the 400 will have ample power for 2 people but for a newbie rider, it's way too much power to control. Leaning into corners and opposite steering. Riding in the rain. Very dangerous imo. Its more stable on the straight but you do need to man handle it a bit to corner vs the honda. If you haven't driven a scooter or have minimal experience ask the 400 owner to take you for a spin. Feel its power. The 400 is easily better than the honda pcx. More comfort storage power and definitely will make you smile when you turn the throttle but for a new rider, I think it's too much power but you decide. Maintenance wise it will be probably the sane because the pcx needs maintenance to be done more often but the price for each maintenance for the 400 will be more
6000 miles is absolutely peanuts. Though scoots that sat a while have had issues with the gas tank. Not many though. Check tire age. Fluids will need to be to be replaced. Pcx is 4 years old so it too will need to have its replaced. Many do their own maintenance so much cheaper. Im giving an objective pov from someone who started with a suzuki frontier 100.within a week a slipped on a turn. I slipped 2 more times within a few months in rhe same place
 

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Amy, since you are researching the B400 have a look at Mitch’s B400 vids....He is the LeDude of the B400.

Thanks so much! I almost decided to go with B400. It has the noise on the rear wheel when starting from cold and turning. I saw this is a common issue in early Burgman. Is it easy to fix by myself? Also, it has around 8000 miles now and the left side footboard cracked, is it still worth the price?

BTW, I just saw another 2013 SYM CityCom 300i for $2000 with 900 miles and new tires. Do you think it worth over the B400? It has a newer condition than the B400.
 

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Which is better isnt relevant

The 400 weighs significantly more. Is physically much larger see if you can sit on it and push it back with your feet. See if you can put it in the center stand. the 400 will have ample power for 2 people but for a newbie rider, it's way too much power to control. Leaning into corners and opposite steering. Riding in the rain. Very dangerous imo. Its more stable on the straight but you do need to man handle it a bit to corner vs the honda. If you haven't driven a scooter or have minimal experience ask the 400 owner to take you for a spin. Feel its power. The 400 is easily better than the honda pcx. More comfort storage power and definitely will make you smile when you turn the throttle but for a new rider, I think it's too much power but you decide. Maintenance wise it will be probably the sane because the pcx needs maintenance to be done more often but the price for each maintenance for the 400 will be more
6000 miles is absolutely peanuts. Though scoots that sat a while have had issues with the gas tank. Not many though. Check tire age. Fluids will need to be to be replaced. Pcx is 4 years old so it too will need to have its replaced. Many do their own maintenance so much cheaper. Im giving an objective pov from someone who started with a suzuki frontier 100.within a week a slipped on a turn. I slipped 2 more times within a few months in rhe same place
Thanks a lot! When I test drove both, I did notice the significant difference on power between them. But there are some issues on B400 too. It has the noise on the rear wheel when starting from cold and turning. I saw lots of people posted similar issues here, mostly happened in early Burgman. Is it easy to fix by myself? Moreover, it has around 8000 miles now (more than the 6000 miles I expected) and the left side footboard cracked, is it still worth the price? Thanks a lot!
 

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I would definitely go for the B400. Last year I bought a 2019 Honda PCX 150 and was very happy with it just riding around town. When it came to riding with my wife and longer trips we struggled with the size and also speed on the highway. It can go 65 no problem when solo riding but with a passenger and going uphill it would slow down and struggle to maintain speed. It is a great little scoot to ride around town and run errands. So this year I was looking for a bigger ride and was looking at a B400. I ended up finding a very well maintained and low mileage 2016 Burg 650 Executive and now I rarely ride my PCX. The 650 is great for longer trips with a passenger and I can ride it on the Interstate no problem and keep with the flow of traffic which my PCX would never do. So again I would highly recommend going with the Burgman 400. I only went with the 650 because it had heated grips and seat and backrest for the passenger which the 400 did not. Also the extra power is awesome too.
Thanks a lot! When I go there to check the scooters, the B400 has more issues than I expected - noise on the rear wheel when starting from cold and turning (which might be a common problem?); crack on the one-side footboard; and more miles than I expected (8000 miles compared to 6000 I expected). I did feel much more power on B400 when I tried both, but I'm a little worried about these issues. What do you think? Does the B400 still worth the price? Thanks!
 

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Which is better isnt relevant

The 400 weighs significantly more. Is physically much larger see if you can sit on it and push it back with your feet. See if you can put it in the center stand. the 400 will have ample power for 2 people but for a newbie rider, it's way too much power to control. Leaning into corners and opposite steering. Riding in the rain. Very dangerous imo. Its more stable on the straight but you do need to man handle it a bit to corner vs the honda. If you haven't driven a scooter or have minimal experience ask the 400 owner to take you for a spin. Feel its power. The 400 is easily better than the honda pcx. More comfort storage power and definitely will make you smile when you turn the throttle but for a new rider, I think it's too much power but you decide. Maintenance wise it will be probably the sane because the pcx needs maintenance to be done more often but the price for each maintenance for the 400 will be more
6000 miles is absolutely peanuts. Though scoots that sat a while have had issues with the gas tank. Not many though. Check tire age. Fluids will need to be to be replaced. Pcx is 4 years old so it too will need to have its replaced. Many do their own maintenance so much cheaper. Im giving an objective pov from someone who started with a suzuki frontier 100.within a week a slipped on a turn. I slipped 2 more times within a few months in rhe same place
BTW, I also saw another 2013 SYM CityCom 300i for $2000 with 900 miles and new tires. It looks smaller than the B400 and easier to maneuver. Upon my needs, do you think it's better than B400 and worth the price? It has a newer condition than the B400. Thanks a lot!
 

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Amy I’m going to guess you are a college student .... what state are you located in ? How many months of scooter weather do you get a year ? Do you own another vehicle now ?
 

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Amy I’m going to guess you are a college student .... what state are you located in ? How many months of scooter weather do you get a year ? Do you own another vehicle now ?
Hi! Yes I'm a college student and live in Florida. So I can drive all seasons 😁. I have a car so this scooter will be for school and grocery use. Thanks!
 
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