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The Next thing to REALLY Improve the 650 burgman, and make it SOOO much More Comfortable is a,

Madstad Windshield System, this makes the bike AWESOME!!!!!. NO OTHER WINDSHIELD COMES CLOSE!!!.

My 650 Burgman is my go to bike even over my GL1800, or GL1500 Goldwing, as my burgman is more comfortable, for both me and my wife.

I noticed that the new BMW scooter has their version of this, and all i can say is IT IS WORTH EVERY PENNEY.

It Gets rid of 99% wind buffeting and you get CLEAN, VERY SMOOTH air, and your bike becomes Very Quiet, you and your passenger can talk in a normal voice, you can hear things that you could not before
 

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westgl said:
The Next thing to REALLY Improve the 650 burgman, and make it SOOO much More Comfortable is a, Madstad Windshield System, this makes the bike AWESOME!!!!!.
Didn't see one listed for a AN650.
 

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Madstad is a great product, priced by value not by cost of manufacturing, and is very difficult to buy. I have called and emailed a few times and they do not respond. Freaky little business. I wish him well.

I have my OEM windshield set off from the fairing with long bolts and hardware store washers, saw it here by another poster and it works exactly like Madstad but is slower to adjust tilt. It has superior adjustment for amount of distance from shield to fairing than Madstad. And its about $3 and available at the local store.

My hagons are nice, the rear suspension is now less noticeable, so it is doing its job. I have racetech sitting in garage to install. Today is warm, gonna ride, tomorrow cold, set Sunday aside for doing that job. Will re-read the how-to printed from here again before starting.
 

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The madstad Windshield is By Far better than any other wind shield as this is a windshield system.

Guys, Madstad is on to something, this is a Great Idea, that Works very well.

The problem with windshields is, several
1. air Vacuum behind shield, it swirls and cause's dirty air to swirl at your face level. you breathe this.
2. Wind Buffeting, as air comes up your windshield it water falls over the top and does the swirling, this is the buffeting that we feel as we ride
3. Wind Noise, it is LOUD or was loud on my bike.

The madstad System causes/forces the air under the shield at the same speed as it is going over the top of it, this cancels the other out.

Think of it this way, since you Now have air under the shield blowing up right against the shield at the same speed as it is over the top of the shield, the air under forces the air on top to blow Up Much Higher forcing it to go about 12" above your head.

That is why they can use a smaller shield and it is still way better than a much larger conventional shield.

Madstad System benefits

1. Clean air that goes Up over the top of my Helmet, and it is VERY SMOOTH AIR The air buffeting is reduced by a significant amount.
2. You dont have Buffeting or it is reduce by a lot, and no more vacuum behind the shield and swirling dirt or engine heat behind the shield.
3. Makes your ride Much Quieter than you thought possible, i talk with the wife while riding at a normal conversation volume, i hear engine and other bike sounds that i had never heard before, this must be because the air is So Much Smoother
4. I ride with my helmet face shield open, even with a shorter shield, the bugs go way over the top of my helmet.

The brackets that Madstad uses adjust for Up & down and in and out at top and bottom of shield total adjustment.

That said, the perfect angle is:
Most windshields work best when set at a 55-60 degree angle and we recommend 57-58 degrees to start with. There is an angle guide on the back page of this manual so that you can check and see if your shield is set somewhere in this range. Here is a Picture, someone could build one of these

Optimal Shield height should be about up to your lower lip to bottom of Nose.
 

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another picture

Here you can see that the stock mount for the OEM shield is removed,

and a alum. plate is mounted to the spot the the oem bracket Was mounted, this alum plate help scoop air under the shield and directs it up against the under side of the shield.

you feel less air on you with this set up, I know it seems like you would feel more air scooping the air bring it up under the shiled But that is not the case at all.

The air is not directed onto you but up against the under side of the shield where it follows the shield and does not blow on the rider(s).

Could one of these be made, Probably I mean if you cannot get a hold of Mark at Madstad.

Madstad does have a 90 try it policy, if you dont like it return it.

Madstad does not list one for a Burgman 650, I had to call Mark and tell him to send me a Madstad System, this has a alum. plate that i had to drill 4 new holes 3/4" inward to mount it to the Oem location after the oem bracket was removed But that was the only modification i had to do.
 

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New Cary Vincent seat in a medium Gray Leather look
 

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New Cary Vincent seat in a medium Gray Leather look
 

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A couple of things to remember if you build your own shield system to get enough under shield flow to push up the over shield flow.

Height of the shield is important.
Angle of the shield is CRITICAL that it is right.

I think that If i were to build one of these using the stock shield,

1. I would down load the Manual from the madstad site, for maybe a Honda silverwing or a Honda Goldwing or both, this will give you some detailed info and a great place to start with shield angles and a template for the shield angle.
2. I would remove the plastic Shield Mount it is Thick and it does not let enough air under the shield and it will not be Smooth air This is all about smoothing the air out as it goes under the shield.
3. I would use a alum plate mounted where the Oem plastic mount is attached to the dash, remove the plactic shield mount and mount the new alum. in it's place, this will let more air under the shield and smooth the air flow out a lot.
4. I would use the angle template in the manual and THEN it should be very close to a madstad system

something to remember do not Fight the air flow, In akido, the asian art of fighting is the , this known as, "The art of Fitting in", do not try to stop the flow of energy but direct it to your advantage.
 

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Look at the new BMW Scooter.

It also has a raised windshield that lets air in under it like a Madstad set up.
 

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Do not see the Burgman listed on tegh Mastad website. Also what is cost of the windshiled?
 

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Bergy45 - just call Mark at Madstad and he'll give you all the information you need about the windscreen. He made on for my wife's 2009 Honda DN-01. First time he'd done a Dino. Price was about a third the cost of my Clearview XL for my Exec. Saw the comment about lack of response on one post. Have to say, Mark was fantastic with us. I'm sure that was a fluke.

Give 'em a call and give 'em a try. Mark will do whatever it takes to be sure you're satisfied. We stopped by his shop during our 2010 tour and he reworked Judi's screen to better fit her, after more than 4,000 miles for her to determine exactly what she needed. Didn't charge us a cent, even though he spent more than an hour on the refit. He's just GOOD people and has a terrific product! :D
 

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I have the Madstad system (both bracket and windscreen) on my V-Strom and love it. I do expect that I will be contacting Mark at Madstad when I have the funds free for the Burgman. I also have experience with the Clearview windscreen (had one on my Honda Pacific Coast) and I liked it too. But I think the Madstad system was a better choice of the two (better windflow management for less money).

Does anyone know, is the Madstad system only for the Burgman 650 Standard or does it fit and work on the Exec. models as well?
 

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westgl said:
New Cary Vincent seat in a medium Gray Leather look
Hi westgl ;

My Cary Vincent seat should be here this week :thumbup:
Can you tell me what you used on the back rest supports to cover the metal rods where the go in to the seat ??

I have tried a couple times to contact Madstad but so far no return calls or e mails.
As soon as i get a few $$ I'll try calling him again.

Friends on Wee Strom's who have his system like it a lot, and we know that the Wee is notorious for helmet buffeting. That's why I sold mine.

Doug
 
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