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I bought the Silver Burgman 650 last weekend and am just about to finish the first tank of gas today, Friday. I've used on my commute to work everyday, which incudes a few California Big Freeway miles, and a good deal of twisty roads.

Although the price is somewhat high in comparison to its competition, the Burgman 650 shows you exactly what you are paying for on nearly aspect of its use.

FREEWAY: The Freeway drive is very stable, and although this bike is capable of speeds well in excess of 100mph, I feel that's its proper cruising speed at 65-80mph is VERY comfortable. If you are driving in an area with lots of freeway or open highway, this is the bike to get.

WIND: As mentioned by others, the windsheild could be somewhat higher, but since I don't go on extended rides, it doesn't bother me much. Maybe one day I will install the GIVI screen, or buy a Lip to make the sheild deflect the wind more upwards.

I had a chance to test the Burgman 650 out on the freeway on a day with high winds. I felt no MORE or LESS danger than I would have been on my previous bike ('00 GSXR) ... I was more focused on making sure the bike was in control during the wind gusts and the Burgman felt a bit more 'movable' than the GSXR would have been, but not enough to overly stress about, or to get me off the focus of making sure I'm safe.

CITY: The Burgman 650 extremely practical for city use. It's maneuverable enough in a parking-lot environment and has plenty of power to accelerate on the city streets when needed. Unless you are carrying a heavy load, you will out-accelerate most cars on the road and be able to 'safely' keep up with most other bikes in the city environment.

SIDE-MIRRORS: THe Side mirrors are large and for someone my height (5'9") it gives a great display of the situation behind. The great view of the rear however does have its drawback as the side-mirrors size and position make the bike somewhat wide. To those who live in States that allow lane sharing, the spread of the mirrors 'may' be a problem if you like sharing the lanes. I understand that auto-folding mirrors are available via order from Japan and that is definetly something I want to have on the Burgman. I like to get in between cars to be out in front at a traffic light. Currently the Burgman's width has cut my ability to do that at least 80% of the time.

LIGHTING: The lighting system all around, from the headlights back to the taillights and all the blinkers is excellent.

INSTRUMENTATION: More than you will need, SPEED and RPM is digital, and has plenty of other indicators (oil, temp, time etc). It scares me to think what I would do if those instrumentations malfunction and the bike is no longer under warranty, but that's life. All in all, the instrumentation is GREAT.

COMPARTMENTS: It has lots of built-in storage, and the trunk under the seat can hold plenty enough to fit two full-face helmets, and yes I have fit it and they FIT with a little extra space even. The 3 glove compartments are great, and the key lock on the largest one is a big plus. I do feel that the inside the compartments there must be some padding, as my cellphone did get scratched from tossing around inside it. Otherwise, the availability of these compartments, left, right and center, is GREAT.

SUSPENSION/HANDLING : The suspension is great, but I had to set the rear to its maximum allowed setting (#5 - stiffest) in order for me to be comfortable on the curves. Perhaps it's my weight (220lb) or just personal preference that I need to have the suspension tight. At that setting, the bike handles surprisingly well on curves and can lean farther than most people would be comfortable with. It of course is no GSXR, but it's great that Scooter that size and weight and take the curves.

TRANSMISSION: The automatic transmission on a bike is just as awesome a convenience as it is to have in a car, and probably more. It generally works great, except that when you are slowing down, the bike tends to slow ITSELF down a lot faster than you initially anticipate, as the transmission downshifts itself. Coming to a rolling stop can take some getting used to as the bike stays in gear a tad bit too long before releasing for a rolling stop. You get used to it.

I haven't had a chance to really test the "manual" gear changing because the bike is still in break-in. Maybe after. In the meantime, I leave it on "auto" all the time.

Power Mode: When engaged, there is a noticable difference in acceleration. If you want to haul ass, that button needs to be ON :D

ENGINE: The power is plentiful and adequate for nearly all conditions of public road riding. It has that POWER that Suzuki has made sure we would all feel. I am very happy with it. After about 50 miles, I began to notice that "DIESEL" Sound that everyone talks about when the bike is on idle. It is quite a noticable sound. If it is availabe for repair under warranty, I will probably have them do it. However, if that won't be available for repair under warranty, it does not bother me and I can live with it.

OVERALL: At this point, 150mi into it, this bike is a joy to own and is delivering everything I have expected out of it so far. It has great styling and surprisingly I've gotten a few nice comments about it, including people who thought it was an expensive BMW.

My Wish List:

- Auto Folding Mirrors definitely
- Padding inside the Glove Boxes
- Ability to open the Trunk while the engine is on
- Slightly taller wind screen
 

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I agree totally with you Migz. I am just as pleased with my machine as it sounds like you are with yours. The power button is great to use for those people that say " it's just a scooter" I love blowing them away at the lights. It sure does open up there eyes.
 

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One thing that I have noticed when following my wife on her Burgy is That when slowing for traffic lights or other stopping conditions is that the Bike has so much braking compression that its not natural to use the brakes. Conquestentely , someone following doesn't get the normal brake light warning. I am encouraging her to tap the brakes a couple of times to at least give a warning that she is slowing down. She has about 1700 miles on the bike and really likes it. 8)
 

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Covert: I'm not really sure about purposely redlining the engine while in break-in -- or at least in the first 100 mi, but I definitely don't go 'by the book' during break-in. I just take it easy and if it goes over 4K, it does, no big deal to me. I do make sure also that there is plenty of fluctuation in engine speed.

On the other note: in California, it's not quite common to see Motorcyclists travel in between cars in traffic that is moving at regular speed. The cops just as easily give a ticket for that (reckless driving), as it is quite obviously dangerous for most of the time.

At traffic lights, and in heavy/slow moving traffic, it's a different story and is quite a common occurrence. Most people don't mind -- as long as you are not surprising them by blipping the throttle on a loud exhaust, going to fast or something like that...


Bill Trammell said:
One thing that I have noticed when following my wife on her Burgy is That when slowing for traffic lights or other stopping conditions is that the Bike has so much braking compression that its not natural to use the brakes. Conquestentely , someone following doesn't get the normal brake light warning. I am encouraging her to tap the brakes a couple of times to at least give a warning that she is slowing down. She has about 1700 miles on the bike and really likes it. 8)
If I had any 'serious' gripe about the Burgman, this would probably be it. When coming to a stop, the engine braking is a little too much. I wish there was some sort of 'Neutral' button that would allow us to coast to a stop, and even to push the bike easily when off... perhaps even a way to 'push start' when the battery is low!
 

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Manual vs. Automatic

Thanks for the input on the maual vs automatic mode during the break-in period. I talked to a dealer about 150 miles away and asked very specific questions regarding break-in and taking a new scooter on a 150 mile drive from the get-go. He stated no such concerns or reservations.

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Well I guess I shouldnt be worried then that I bought a Demo bike. You know them demo riders, there gonna put the thing through its paces knowing that they will not be the owners. Well all I can say is my bike runs great. Hopefully the demo riders didnt redline it but after reading Coverts ride hard theory I am a little bit more relieved about having a Demo bike. Mine is parked now for the winter with only 1200 kms on it. Fresh oil change before I parked it in the living room :lol:
Is it SPRING YET ??????
 

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Covert said:
AAAA! Nuts I wish I had seen this post earlier- the last Woman in Pelham last year got ticked off at the woman behind her in traffic and they started the fingers flying and the yelling and Miss Thang in the second car got out at the next light to go up and holler and Miss Thang in the first car and got a bullet bewteen the eyes.
I was from LA & Orange County, CA before moving to the Pac NW 4 years ago and road rage is a way of life there and bullets flying is not that uncommon in a traffic argument (or sometimes just for the hell of it).
 

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I was under the impression that at least in some California municipalities, it was legal to split lanes as long as your speed was within a certain percentage of the cars you were passing.
I lived in California for most of my life before moving to the Pac NW and I always did lane splitting anywhere I went in California as long as traffic was slow or stopped. Drivers pretty much expect it and are only startled by loud pipes.
 

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"Oh, yeah- synthetic is FINE for your bike- it's better than regular oil. You should put it in at your first service."
I caught this quote while reviewing old posts. I just bought a used scooter, and the previous owner proudly told me he changed the oil (at 300 miles, which was about 1200 miles ago) to synthetic. I used to mess around with Yamaha FJ1200 motors, and full synthetic oil was a no-no because it was too slippery for the clutch. Can I assume that synthetic oils would have the same effect on these "automatic" engines? If so, then can I simply drain the syn oil, and replase with a good oil fashion Casteroil?

Thanks from a newbie
 

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JD Johnson

Your 650 has a separate oil supply for engine ,clutch and final drive gears.

You could still run ( if you wish ) synth. oil in engine and normal oil in the clutch.

Your transmission in itself is only a belt no oil.

Your clutch is wet multi plate like normal bikes.

Your final drive ( in the leg going to the rear wheel ) is 5 gears running in SAE90 oil. ( like in most car diffs & manual gearboxes )

Rgds Greg ...
 

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The AN650 engine crankcase and centrifugal clutch plates share the same oil (8-26) from the main gallery.

The 360ml or so of 10-40wt that gets poured into the transmission overflow hole lubes and cools the pully bearings. It's oil free under the cvt cover (5-5) and kept clean by the CVT air filter and bearing seals.

The final gear (4-2) Hypoid 90wt lubes the hypoid gear and the series of small gears at the final gear case.
 

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JD Johnson

Sorry " ajwood " is correct

Transmission has oil bath for bearings.

And clutch is feed from engine oil supply.

I should have looked it up myself before posting

Sorry again Greg ...
 

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oil bath?

"The 360ml or so of 10-40wt that gets poured into the transmission overflow hole lubes and cools the pully bearings. It's oil free under the cvt cover (5-5) and kept clean by the CVT air filter and bearing seals. "

I'd like to know more about this, it seems very different than most other transmissions.
 
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