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My 650's oil was at the bottom line so I decided I'd add some today. I had an unopened plastic can of the right oil in stock, a funnel and a rag. Got the plastic center cover off easily. Unscrewed the oil filler cap. Stuck in the funnel. Opened up my oil and poured a bit in.

Not really knowing what to expect, I was only a little surprised that the oil coming from my plastic can was glassy clear. I would have just gone on thinking "Boy, this oil is clear!" except that after adding a little more oil to get the line up, the oil from the can started coming out bluish.

Yes, it was an OLD can, probably 5 years old. It had never been opened before, so I didn't expect it to have seperated so. I'd had a momentary thought to shake the can but didn't thinking I'd just put bubbles in the oil.

You oil experts out there, have I done any harm to my bike? I put about 1/3 quart from that can into my 650. More than half of that was the clear component at the top of the can. We took the bike on a 10 mile ride, and it actually sounded a bit smoother than before the oil. I can't imagine, given the small percentage of whatever that clear was in the oil, that it would hurt anything. Your opinions? What's in oil that seperates out clear anyway?

Dave B.
 

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If it were me, I would change it and be done with it. You know that oil couldn't have been right.
 

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Wut he said! :withstupid:

I would suspect the the clear component was probably the detergent agent. In any concentrated form, it could break down the oil filter element, causing all sorts of grief.

Better safe than sorry, I say.
 

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Since oil is the heaviest of all ingredients and was on the bottom, you added very little oil. In fact you would have been better-off not putting anything in.
Do yourself a favor, change the oil and filter now. :)
 

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Probably good advice, all. Thanks. Changing the oil and filter is the easy thing to do, except I have no local source for a filter. My logic though tells me that whatever was in the oil can was already part of the oil in my bike. I may just have slightly changed the porportion of detergent (if that's what it was) in the total volume of oil in the bike. As the engine ran on my 10 mile run the added whatever got thoroughly diluted/mixed with all the existing oil. It didn't change the color or look of the oil in the little window in any way. It did increase the volume to the FULL line, and half of what I added was blue oil anyway. The filter and oil in the bike is relatively fresh, as it was put in at my 600 mile service a week ago last thursday. If "part" of a can of oil is bad for a bike, but a complete can is good for it, then I should drain a little and then add the rest of the old can to cancel the bad effect. Not worth the trouble, IMO.

So I'll run the experiment. I'll leave it as is, and keep an eye on it. You can say "we told you so" later on if necessary.

Anyone know (no guessing) what's actually IN a quart of "oil"? Perhaps it's like most dark fluids which will settle out the solids leaving clear "pure" oil at the top. Does anyone know what makes motor oil blue? All the other oils I use are transparent clear to yellow. If it's a dye they put in, then it's reasonable to imagine that pigment settling out as it does in paints and stains.
 

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OK. So why'd you ask? :roll:

Oil is formulated for specific characteristics. If you changed the formulation, you've changed the characteristics.

Sounds like this could be a very expensive experiment. I don't want to be harsh, but it sounds like one of two things. You are really, really curious to do the "science", or you are really, really stubborn.

Keep us posted on the research. :eek:
 

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Probably good advice, all. Thanks. Changing the oil and filter is the easy thing to do, except I have no local source for a filter.
I'm curious how many of you keep a spare filter or two around the house. My thoughts would be to have at least one on hand at all times. Even if you have a parts souce close to you it may be necessary to use such an item on say, a Sunday, when they aren't open.
 

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I usually buy them in 2's or 3's. As a matter of fact I'm heading out this morning to assist one of our members with an oil change. I will take the filter as he doesnt have one on hand.
 

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Rubble said:
I'm curious how many of you keep a spare filter or two around the house. My thoughts would be to have at least one on hand at all times. Even if you have a parts souce close to you it may be necessary to use such an item on say, a Sunday, when they aren't open.
In my case it'll take some forward thinking. No Suzuki dealer in town, and at the 600 mile service (an hour away) they put a new one on. I didn't think to buy one, much less two or more, considering I probably won't get to my next recommended oil change in miles this year. I will order a couple online today.

I AM interested in the chemistry. Why should it remain mythical and unknown to me? That's mainly why I asked. Curious mind, ya know. :wink:
 

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I think the issue is severe enought that I would change the oil even if I had to stick the old filter back in. I wouldn't even run it with the oil as it is right now.
 

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Old oil

Besides what everyone else has already said, if the oil is at least five-years old, you may also want to be sure that it carries the appropriate API rating. If you have had it for five-years, there is no telling how old it really is (no born-on date like some beers) and what the rating might be unless you read the label. Always be sure that it matches the Suzuki specification for API rating as well as viscosity.
 

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Here's the Oil data... Conoco brand, Super Season. SAE 10W-40, API Service SH.

Sticker on it was from Paul's, a store in Iowa City. I lived there until January of 2000. No date of any kind on the bottle. I'm sure I bought it the last summer I was there for the Honda Elite 250 I had at the time.

The bottle has a clear strip in the side so you can see how much oil is left in it. There are 21 Ounces left out of 32. So I must have put 11 ounces in my 650. According to my owner's manual, the bike holds 3.6 qts, or 115.2 ounces. My 11 is 9.5% of that. I have emailed Conoco/Phillips and am awaiting their official word.

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Concerning oil & filter changes. How many of you change the 'O' rings when you change the filter? I'm speaking of a 400. I bought an extra filter when I bought my bike, but they had no 'O' rings in stock. The guy at the parts counter said it's fine to reuse the old ones, but maybe that was just his excuse since they weren't in stock.
 

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I went without replacing the ring the last time, but the next time I will know better. I figured they packed the O rings with the filter like Honda did for their filters on their motorcycles.

I mean, really, charge me another quarter if needbe, but the book recommends a new o ring, why not pack it with the filter?
 

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Pure oil in a sealed container isn't going to "spoil" in your lifetime. But that wasn't a bottle of pure oil. The additives will react with each other or just break down. You should change your oil at least once a year - even if you didn't drive the vehicle, because the ingredients do break down. I'd change the oil, and toss the old can (never keep an opened can anyway).

Most of the addatives in oil are minute solids - but the slugde and varnish removing ones are definately lighter. They have friction modifiers (could be PTFE/teflon, or simply carbon), viscosity and thermal breakdown inhibitors, sludge and varnish protection, rust and bearing corrosion protection, volatility inhibitors, and anti foaming addatives.

Don't be fooled by the engine running smoother than normal right now. Stuffing a bunch of banana peels into a loud transmission will quiet it down for a bit - but it's doing more damage than good.
 

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Here's the reply from Conoco/Phillips:
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From: RSC:Lubricants
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:15 PM
To: RSC:Consumer Relations
Subject: RE: Old Oil. Did I damage my motorcycle?

Oil does have a shelf life. Typically we would like to see it used up within 2 years. It is impossible to tell if any damage has been done but it would seem unlikely with the small amount you used. I would suggest you change the oil as soon as possible.

Rex Reese
Product Specialist
ConocoPhillips
I'll change my oil as soon as I can run down a new filter. Thanks, all.
 

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I'll change my oil as soon as I can run down a new filter. Thanks, all.
Perhaps you already have this list:

# AMSOil SMF 109
# Bike Master 314-0025
# Champion PH7016
# Cycle Power 314-1919
# Emgo 10-55662
# Emgo 10-55660
# Fram PH6018
# Hi-Flo HF138
# J.C.Whitney ZX063166P
# K&N 138
# NAPA 1359 / WIX 51359
# Parts Unlimited
# Per-Form J-509
# ProPart 01-0029
# Purolator ML16818
# STP SMO-18
# Suzuki 16510-03G00-X07
# VESRAH vsf-3009

I got Purolator ML16818 from auto supply places.
 
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