[peelbrow]

Any comments?

 

[MJR]

My only comment is on 83,000 Burgmans exported from Japan since 2002. Not breaking down those numbers in an article on the 650 seems pointless other than imply the 650 sells very well. This is since the Burgman is sold in 125-650 models worldwide so it gives no real breakdown in actual Burgman model specific numbers like solely the Burgman 650. Personally I would think the actual figures would show that as the displacement went up the sales numbers would decrease meaning they should sell a lot more 125's or 400's than 650's.

 

[Daboo]

Here's another review...http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... =27695.htm

Chris

 

[MJR]

My only comment is on 83,000 Burgmans exported from Japan since 2002. Not breaking down those numbers in an article on the 650 seems pointless other than imply the 650 sells very well. This is since the Burgman is sold in 125-650 models worldwide so it gives no real breakdown in actual Burgman model specific numbers like solely the Burgman 650. Personally I would think the actual figures would show that as the displacement went up the sales numbers would decrease meaning they should sell a lot more 125's or 400's than 650's.

It's just I hate vagueness, guess it's one of the things I hate most about the media. If that figure represents 650 sales then say 83,000 Burgman 650's since 2002 (2002-2012).

 

[ErikDK]

I wonder how many 'busas and Vee/Wee-Stroms thay made in the same period?

 

[Buffalo]

First impression is the review would have been a lot easier to read if you had rotated it before you linked to it.

Past that the review seemed like a decent one. I don't know it the author has ever ridden the older 650. If he has then it would have been nice to compare any differences in how it felt. Most everything he wrote about the riding experience would apply to the older models.

 

[Daboo]

Regarding Burgman sales...

From MajestyUSA...

Hello All!
What is the condition of the Maxi-scooter Market, out in the REST of the Friggin' world where people actually BUY Maxi-scoots??
The Land of Scootsanity is Italy, so here are figures from Jan-Sept., culled from a list of the TOP 100 Selling Scooters (BMWs figures will be LOW, as they only started selling there in July)

All 400cc+ Scooters

1.) Tmax 500.................8,901 sold
2.) Honda Integra 700.......2,371 sold
3.) Majesty 400...............1,204 sold
4.) Silverwing 400............1,110 sold
5.) Burgman 400..............1,010 sold
6.) Aprilia SRV 850.............517 sold
7.) Burgman 650................426 sold
8.) BMW C600 Sport............402 sold
9.) KYMCO Xciting 500.........334 sold
10.)MaxSym 400.................331 sold
11.)Silverwing 600..............294 sold
12.)BMW C650 GT...............271 sold
13.)Piaggio MP3 500............232 sold

Here is a link to info:
http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/10030/m ... iXmRfFfMRA

The info is a little dated...from last year, and the poster was obviously thrilled that the TMax was at the top of the charts. :lol: Following the link might lead you to more current info.

Chris

 

[Buffalo]

The article Chris linked to implies that the weight distrbution has been alter to make the handling feel quicker. It will be interesting to see how much different it feels if I get a chance to ride one.

 

[MJR]

First impression is the review would have been a lot easier to read if you had rotated it before you linked to it.

Past that the review seemed like a decent one. I don't know it the author has ever ridden the older 650. If he has then it would have been nice to compare any differences in how it felt. Most everything he wrote about the riding experience would apply to the older models.

Indeed.

Regarding Burgman sales...The info is a little dated...from last year, and the poster was obviously thrilled that the TMax was at the top of the charts. :lol: Following the link might lead you to more current info.

Leave it to you to have some relevant info, thanks Chris. :thumbup:

The article Chris linked to implies that the weight distrbution has been alter to make the handling feel quicker.

Well he's saying a weight of 277 kg and according to Suzuki UK's site the 2012 weight was 277 kg so where's the savings? And having taken them apart where could you actually save weight on the body or seat frame, nothing weighs all that much (although the seat itself does). About the only item that weights enough to change the distribution and could be moved would be the battery. Here's a link and do you over there actually spell curb as kerb as listed under specs or is it a typo? :shock: https://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/motorcycles/motorcycles/scooter/burgman/burgman-650-abs-executive/

Another interesting tidbit "At £8,799 the Burgman is not only one of the cheapest big scooters but also the one with the highest specification of kit."

 

[Buffalo]

That was kind of my feeling MJR.

They mentioned the rear sub frame has been eliminated and that would save a little weight. However I would think something would need be there to support the seat and trunk. I suspect the rear sub frame is just reduced in size a little in the area behind the seat to fit the narrower rear profile. That's not going to take off much weight or shift the distribution to the front very much. If anything has been done more than likely it is that they have change the front end geometry to quicken the turn in a little.

 

[NormanB]

I thought both reviews were better than most others that I have read.

Personally I hope the message that the Lardy is such a versatile offering does not penetrate the less cerebral of the wider motorcycling community otherwise we will be in danger of losing our exclusivity. :lol:

I thought the Piston Heads article where it states:

With so many Burgman owners (83,000 and counting since the bike was launched) Suzuki has basically asked them what needed updating and responded to criticisms, which is why the pillion footboards are also 10mm higher and the parking brake's lever relocated. Quite why they didn't also ask for a slightly less daft name is a mystery

......was slightly amusing, I have never read any feedback on this forum asking for the parking brake lever to be relocated, nor asking for the pillion floorboards to be raised. However, those changes are positive in my opinion as is relocating the accessory socket and of course reducing clutch drag. Maybe they monitor another forum? :lol:

 

[westnash]

The sales numbers of the TMax sure look high as compared to the others. Could this be correct or does Yamaha have something special going on it Italy? I would come closer to believing 891 instead of the number shown.

 

[MJR]

They mentioned the rear sub frame has been eliminated and that would save a little weight. However I would think something would need be there to support the seat and trunk. I suspect the rear sub frame is just reduced in size a little in the area behind the seat to fit the narrower rear profile. That's not going to take off much weight or shift the distribution to the front very much. If anything has been done more than likely it is that they have change the front end geometry to quicken the turn in a little.

My thoughts are that they molded the seat frame into the underseat storage box but it wasn't like the seat frame on its own weighed much at all.

......was slightly amusing, I have never read any feedback on this forum asking for the parking brake lever to be relocated, nor asking for the pillion floorboards to be raised. However, those changes are positive in my opinion...

It was slightly amusing but I can't say they were improvements. It's not like I ride pillion and for us wider Americans the Ebrake location was better on the dash than under our thigh.

The sales numbers of the TMax sure look high as compared to the others. Could this be correct or does Yamaha have something special going on it Italy? I would come closer to believing 891 instead of the number shown.

Well I would say the TMax is a better city machine to get around on than the Burgman 650 based on what I've read so it wouldn't surprise me they sell better in congested EU cities but that is a huge difference in those numbers.

 

[NormanB]

the figures are true, scooters of all forms are über popular in Mainland Europe.
UK is an exception, maxi scoots are not popular at all and small scooters are almost exclusively for kids too young/impoverished to get on four wheels.

 

[greenyaris]

and do you over there actually spell curb as kerb

Yes :thumbup:

 

[NormanB]

If you want to sample typical UK motorcyclist's view of maxi scooters read the submitted comments to the Piston Heads feature linked above.

That is if you can curb your tendency to kerb your new alloys! :twisted:

 

[greenyaris]

If you want to sample typical UK motorcyclist's view of maxi scooters read the submitted comments to the Piston Heads feature linked above.

That is if you can curb your tendency to kerb your new alloys! :twisted:

The link is where, Norm? :?:

 

[ErikDK]

If you want to sample typical UK motorcyclist's view of maxi scooters read the submitted comments to the Piston Heads feature linked above.

That is if you can curb your tendency to kerb your new alloys! :twisted:

The link is where, Norm? :?:

Here's another review...http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... =27695.htm

Chris

 

[ErikDK]

I love your comments on the Piston Heads site NormanB

When I read the preceding comments there, I see for my eyes hooligan types, who's idea of a good time is giving the fans of the opposing team a nose-breaking head-butt.

Just like the crowd on Burgmanriders.co.uk a few years back. Thank god they've found other places to pester since then.

 

[curly]

Pistonheads was wrong about one thing. I'm going to be a convert from a traditional motorcycle. That is if Suzuki will get it's act together and get it in a dealership!