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I REALLY want a BMW. I can afford it & I deserve it BUT a local dealer has offered me a new 2012
650 Bergman Executive model for $7999 + tax & title with no set up or shipping charges. He even offered to throw in a three yr extended warranty. The BMW would be $12,000 out the door.
Decisions, decisions. I know if I get the Bergman I will regret it but if I get the BMW I will always be thinking about how much more I paid.
 

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A mans got to what a mans got to do.
 

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Get them Both and decide later which one to keep. 8)
 

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You will nto regret the Burgman at all. That's a superb deal for a wonderful machine.
I've ridden the GT650 and while iit is a competitor it's simply no way worth $4k more for an unproven design in my view.
 

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I REALLY want a BMW. I can afford it & I deserve it BUT a local dealer has offered me a new 2012
650 Bergman Executive model for $7999 + tax & title with no set up or shipping charges. He even offered to throw in a three yr extended warranty. The BMW would be $12,000 out the door.
Decisions, decisions. I know if I get the Bergman I will regret it but if I get the BMW I will always be thinking about how much more I paid.
Make it a 5 yr warranty and SOLD Burgman 650. :) It's actually easy for me just cause the BMW doesn't do much for me. Now if it were a K1600GT/GTL I'd take that in a heartbeat over the Burg. :D
 

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Me spent 90 minute in showroom at BMW stealership 2 week ago looking at BMW sport and GT and talk it with sale person me know a few year now, BMW GT here before tax sell for $12375.00 with same equipment as 650 Exec with winter pack, price include prep and transport not tax, me pay in may 2010 new 2009 Burgie 650 Exec with winter pack $8500.00 about ( that about $8300.00 U.S at time). Now only a couple thing on BMW GT I like better than Burgie, overall burgie supperior bike. Me not know if this so as per BMW warranty, but sale person tel me have to go to BMW for all maintenace and inspection, that very very much more $$ than DIY on burgie. Impossible to put Kiwi Dave or Fehling type side case bracket on BMW GT, so impossible to put GIVI or other hard side case on GT when need for one week touring or more, even Nelson-Rigg, Oxford, GIVI or other soft side case difficult fit on GT, it like if GT not design for this. BMW 35 litre top case sell $1100.00 not install, BMW storage below seat have very big bump ( think this from mono shock mount bracket), not easy like Burgie to put/fit gear or grocery in, all storage on BMW not as much and as good as burgie. Overall weather, air/cold and stone protection much better on burgie, leg room also much better on burgie, passenger leg confort better on burgie, passenger grab handle seem akward on BMW, easier and better on Burgie. Me think GT front suspension design better than burgie, GT back end look stupid, to fill fuel without luggage a little more better on BMW GT. Mirror on GT stink and more easy to break. Do like GT mono schock arrange, not know if ride better or not that to be tested.

If like notorcycle journalist in France and Europe claim Suzuki still working on more powerful and improve Burgie then me really really realy much more interested in such bike over BMW GT which just so so bike.

BMW 650 sport model version for me is useless not interesting bike. BMW sale person think they to sell many many more GT model than Sport version.

Burgie much better bike and deal than BMW GT. The real touring Maxi-Scoot is still KIng, Burgman 650.

Chinese Kymco machine not impess at all.

Note: Forget add, BMW seat very high, and step true hump very high again, more difficult than burgie, when me hip and bottom back hurt me be mad and very unhappy with BMW. Motorcycle touring suppose to be fun, relaxing, calming and pleasurable, for me that not be case with chinese Kymco BMW, life very short now for bullshit such as this.
 

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I like BMWs and I have two. However, when it comes to scooters, I prefer the Burgmans. The BMW scooter is far too tall for me and the step-over is also high. The BMW is new so there are few aftermarket accessories available and the few from BMW are very expensive. There have been bugs with the new scooter and I think it would be wise to give them a chance to correct them. A good source is at: http://www.webbikeworld.com/bmw-c-650-gt/blog.htm
 

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gruntled said:
I REALLY want a BMW. I can afford it & I deserve it BUT a local dealer has offered me a new 2012
650 Bergman Executive model for $7999 + tax & title with no set up or shipping charges. He even offered to throw in a three yr extended warranty. The BMW would be $12,000 out the door.
Decisions, decisions. I know if I get the Bergman I will regret it but if I get the BMW I will always be thinking about how much more I paid.

Gruntled deserve better than BMW chinese bike, jump fast on Suzuki 650 Exec deal, better bike, fantastic price.

Spend extra $$ save for farkle heat grip and seat if gruntled like that.
 

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I follow the BMWMOA site almost every day, they have a section dedicated to the new maxi scooter. From the comments I read there are some fairly significant teething problems with the machine.
I advise you to wait a year and see if they get it fixed, that is unless you really enjoy a machine that stalls in traffic , has practically no one who can diagnose problems correctly yet, and like spending money :lol:

As a long time BMW owner who recently converted to the Burgman I can say this. :thumbup:

BMW = Bring More Wampum
 

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I have had a chance to examine the GT and Sport at our local BMW dealer. I like them both, the GT in particular, but having owned a BMW motorcycle, I have a sneaking suspicion that service on these machines is going to be costly. One thing I do like about them both is that they have single-sided swingarms, which makes the rear wheel easy to remove. They are, however, new and unproven and that worries me a bunch. I'd wait a few years for the shoe to fall before I'd buy one.

I like the B650 seating and control position, but I think the BMWs are just as good in that regard, at least for me. I don't particularly trust the B650 electronic transmission, but I recognize that it is a small percentage of B650 owners who have experienced serious issues with it.

All that said, I think the deal your dealer offerred on a new B650 is a pretty screaming deal and I'd hop on it.
 

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As I ride about 10-12k miles per year, I would go with the Burgman. One of our riders got a new 2011 650 for $7000 including warranty, tax was paid upon registration. I will probably end up picking up a used one when one of you trades up for the 2013 Burgman.
 

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If you buy the Burgie and end up regretting it then you'd best buy the BMW and get it out of your system. I have a funny feeling that you'll end up wishing you had bought the Burgie but better to get this out of your system and maybe you'll be able to buy a new Burgie in several years with a larger engine. Just my 2 cents worth...
 

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The BMW is a name.. but that offer on a new Burgman.. That's great :thumbup: and the BUrgie is a great bike that has a lot more after market choices and has stood the test of time.. Buy the Burgman and say thank you..
 

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With a custom seat and custom backrest, my burgy is set to tour hour after hour. Like me, my Burgy is built for endurance not show... :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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If you buy the Burgie and end up regretting it then you'd best buy the BMW and get it out of your system... Just my 2 cents worth...
It very interesting that BMW has made such a name for itself like the Harley Davidson. gruntled, fact you are even posting to this forum on a Burgman forum is sort of peculiar. You could post this to a BMW forum and ask what they think.

I've owned over 40+ motorcycles and scooters which include 4 BMWs and 1 Harley Davidson. I've never asked anyone's opinion because I wanted to make the mistake of buying the motorcycle on my own and not having everyone else telling me what I should or should not buy.

Since you asked, I agree with momule that you should buy the BMW; not because it is a better scoot -rather you want the BMW branding which is more of an "ego thing". I'm speaking from personal experience when I bought my BMWs and Harley. I can guarantee that the BMW will have more recalls and problems, but that's not why people buy BMWs and Harleys.

I'm getting rid of my Burgman 650EX at the end of this year. The B650 has never left me stranded and starts every time. There is a rattle in the dash that I finally fixed after almost 2 years. The B650 starts every time, never left me stranded and smoother than it has ever been after the 7000mi service. The final fix is very ugly :evil: on the B650 so I'm waiting for the year end sales to get a good deal on another motorcycle. This might sound odd on a Burgman forum. Why get rid of a perfectly good B650 just because it is ugly? I'm tired of fixing rattles on my B650 and when I finally fixed the final rattle a few weeks ago -it now looks like the B650 was made in some cheap factory in the Far East in someone's backyard :oops: At this time I'm not worried about CVT issues, primary pullers, belts, gears etc.

No matter how much anyone tries to convince me to keep my B650, it doesn't matter. I'll take some touring trips on the B650 in the Spring and Summer then the B650 is history :violent2:

I sat on both BMW scooters. Both BMW scoots suck big time, so I'm definitely not buying the BMW scooter nor will I get another B650 or B400. Again that is my 'peculiarities' on motorcycle, scooter ownership. This does not diminish any motorcycle/scooters pride of ownership -each person is different and I respect all riders both motorcycles and scooters :thumbup:
 

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I like that R1200! One of the reasons I get a project bike to work on every so often....Variety is the spice of life.....and it makes me love my little 400 more and more. :D
 

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So you have a choice of a Burgman 650 for $X or a BMW scoot for $X + 50% of $X

Now if the deal was the other way round and the BMW was the cheaper of the two by the same margin that would be a really really difficult purchasing decision to then make.

From my perspective, albeit very biased, it is a no brainer, go for the Burgman with extended warranty.

If you really want a BMW badge you can pick them up pretty cheap and use a bit of gloopy stuffy to stick to your top box or whatever. :lol:
 

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WHAT !!!! Taint Suzuki Burgman with cheap Chinese BMW badge ! :cry: :cry: :cry:

Never, never, never never, never, never never, never, never never. :shock: :shock:
 

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If you really want a BMW badge you can pick them up pretty cheap and use a bit of gloopy stuffy to stick to your top box or whatever. :lol:
The lighted one looks quite nice.

 

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So you have a choice of a Burgman 650 for $X or a BMW scoot for $X + 50% of $X

Now if the deal was the other way round and the BMW was the cheaper of the two by the same margin that would be a really really difficult purchasing decision to then make.

From my perspective, albeit very biased, it is a no brainer, go for the Burgman with extended warranty.

If you really want a BMW badge you can pick them up pretty cheap and use a bit of gloopy stuffy to stick to your top box or whatever. :lol:
And add some M6 badges. :twisted:
 
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