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Greetings from Amsterdam. I have just taken delivery of a 'white' Burgman 650, new version. Nice machine, well sorted. The Burgman just grew up (and had a major facelift).
So, most of the annoying problems have gone, painted wheels now, better aerodynamics (much better), better lights, better dash, much improved gearbox. Overall, they did a good job.
And, it's been on a diet too. Lost her fat bottom & lost her overweight looks, without any compromise on luggage space. And for those of you (us) who have lived with this big baby for many years, the update is a real joy. You feel you are riding a legend that'd still developing.

Anyway, it's all a bit new over here, very new, so I am assuming you've had the new model for a while now in the US?.... There is a lack of workshop manual at the moment, but I am hoping someone over the Pond has taken one of these apart already, just to see what's under those new clothes..... (mostly looks the same from my eyes!!).. :D

I have a few questions.

1. How do you remover the engine cover that fits between the seat & the front section. It's not the same as the old one for sure....
2. The 'outside' temperature read-out lies like hell, always + 4'c, which is 2'c more than the old model. Anyone got a fix for this?,, and how. (probably the same fix as the old model? )
3. Do we ever bother with changing the transmission fluid?

Thanks in advance. So starts a whole new chapter in the Burgman 650 family.

Mark :thumbup:
 

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How can the new dash be an improvement, when they replaced the digital speedometer that was easy to read with an analog one with a scale that goes to 200 kph ?

It struggles to go 150, they should have made it with 3/4 of the scale from 0 to 100. The digital speedo, when healed to be accurate, is perfect when you ride with the risk of huge fines, like 130 euro for going 60 kph in a 50 kph zone. When my speedo says 53 I'm going 53

I bet it still shows 10% to fast.

And who needs a large revcounter on a bike with automatic transmission?

But who cares about the endusers? What pleases journalist dimwits is what matters.
 

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Well, Good Afternoon Happy Erik.

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it!..., it's as simple as that. I am sure you are right with 'your opinion'.
For me, analogue reading is faster & I'm delighted to see the old 80's design go. Very happy with both clocks..,
no problem there, automatic or trip-tronic. 10% in many things in life., so what. We use our brains for those adjustments.
Having the correct reading for the Ambient temperature would be nice, so I'm hoping that someone will give
me a slightly joyful answer in a fix.


Keep paying your fines..., and try and find something positive to say.

M
 

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hanspluygers said:
Greetings from Amsterdam. I have just taken delivery of a 'white' Burgman 650, new version. Nice machine, well sorted. The Burgman just grew up (and had a major facelift).
So, most of the annoying problems have gone, painted wheels now, better aerodynamics (much better), better lights, better dash, much improved gearbox. Overall, they did a good job.
And, it's been on a diet too. Lost her fat bottom & lost her overweight looks, without any compromise on luggage space. And for those of you (us) who have lived with this big baby for many years, the update is a real joy. You feel you are riding a legend that'd still developing.

Anyway, it's all a bit new over here, very new, so I am assuming you've had the new model for a while now in the US?.... There is a lack of workshop manual at the moment, but I am hoping someone over the Pond has taken one of these apart already, just to see what's under those new clothes..... (mostly looks the same from my eyes!!).. :D

I have a few questions.

1. How do you remover the engine cover that fits between the seat & the front section. It's not the same as the old one for sure....
2. The 'outside' temperature read-out lies like hell, always + 4'c, which is 2'c more than the old model. Anyone got a fix for this?,, and how. (probably the same fix as the old model? )
3. Do we ever bother with changing the transmission fluid?

Thanks in advance. So starts a whole new chapter in the Burgman 650 family.

Mark :thumbup:

Many thank you for user report on new 2013 EVOLUTION 650. New model not arrive in North America, should arrive soon 3-4 week, the more me read all kind of excellent report in Europe on 2013 more me start appreciate bike, 3-4 month ago not like new look prefer 2012, now that can not locate 2012 me consider 2013 instead. In past have 2004 650 and now 2009 650, both great bike and have no problem at all.

Here when change motor oil also change transmission oil and final drive oil.
 

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hanspluygers said:
Greetings from Amsterdam. I have just taken delivery of a 'white' Burgman 650, new version. Nice machine, well sorted. The Burgman just grew up (and had a major facelift).
So, most of the annoying problems have gone, painted wheels now, better aerodynamics (much better), better lights, better dash, much improved gearbox. Overall, they did a good job.
And, it's been on a diet too. Lost her fat bottom & lost her overweight looks, without any compromise on luggage space. And for those of you (us) who have lived with this big baby for many years, the update is a real joy. You feel you are riding a legend that'd still developing.

Anyway, it's all a bit new over here, very new, so I am assuming you've had the new model for a while now in the US?.... There is a lack of workshop manual at the moment, but I am hoping someone over the Pond has taken one of these apart already, just to see what's under those new clothes..... (mostly looks the same from my eyes!!).. :D

I have a few questions.

1. How do you remover the engine cover that fits between the seat & the front section. It's not the same as the old one for sure....
2. The 'outside' temperature read-out lies like hell, always + 4'c, which is 2'c more than the old model. Anyone got a fix for this?,, and how. (probably the same fix as the old model? )
3. Do we ever bother with changing the transmission fluid?

Thanks in advance. So starts a whole new chapter in the Burgman 650 family.

Mark :thumbup:

Many thank you for user report on new 2013 EVOLUTION 650. New model not arrive in North America, should arrive soon 3-4 week, the more me read all kind of excellent report in Europe on 2013 more me start appreciate bike, 3-4 month ago not like new look prefer 2012, now that can not locate 2012 me consider 2013 instead. In past have 2004 650 and now 2009 650, both great bike and have no problem at all.

Here when change motor oil also change transmission oil and final drive oil.
 

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How can the new dash be an improvement, when they replaced the digital speedometer that was easy to read with an analog one with a scale that goes to 200 kph ?

It struggles to go 150, they should have made it with 3/4 of the scale from 0 to 100. The digital speedo, when healed to be accurate, is perfect when you ride with the risk of huge fines, like 130 euro for going 60 kph in a 50 kph zone. When my speedo says 53 I'm going 53

I bet it still shows 10% to fast.

And who needs a large revcounter on a bike with automatic transmission?

But who cares about the endusers? What pleases journalist dimwits is what matters.
That what GPS for !
 

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Well, Good Afternoon Happy Erik.

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it!..., it's as simple as that. I am sure you are right with 'your opinion'.
For me, analogue reading is faster & I'm delighted to see the old 80's design go. Very happy with both clocks..,
no problem there, automatic or trip-tronic. 10% in many things in life., so what. We use our brains for those adjustments.
Having the correct reading for the Ambient temperature would be nice, so I'm hoping that someone will give
me a slightly joyful answer in a fix.


Keep paying your fines..., and try and find something positive to say.

M

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Sorry, but I can't understand why people find that a spedometer where the useful speed range only gets 90 degrees or less of the scale is an improvement over a digital speedometer.

As for the ambient temperature sensor, it's a series resistor, NTC and a resistor in series will increase its resistor value so you can make the gauge read right.

[attachment=0:1cc3n49p]sensor values.JPG[/attachment:1cc3n49p]

And I don't need a GPS for telling me the accurate speed - once the SpeedoHealer has been calibrated to the current rear tire, the speedo is accurate within less than 1 kph, but you can't read that on a 0-200 km/h scale made to impress 5-year old boys who believe that a bike's top speed is whatever the speedometer's scale goes to.
And since the digital speedo shows nothing when the bike's parked, the think the bike can't move at all.

I don't get fines from not knowing my speed, I had great fun the other day riding with a police bike on my tail, with the cruise control set to 81 kph in an 80 kph zone.
When he finally quit and passed me, I set the cruise to 85 while other road users dropped their speed to the mid seventies.

I absolutely refuse to go slower than the limit if I can avoid it.
 

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I thought the small maintenance door on the new model was self explanatory on removal but i dont remember from the one i saw at the motorcycle show back in November now. Congrats on the new bike. :thumbup:

The transmission oil is recommended to be changed at the same time as the engine oil on the older models so one would assume the new one is similiar. The transmission oil does really get that bad so I think one would be fine changing it every other engine oil change.
 

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Congratulations! :cheers:
I believe you might be the first person on the forum to actually own the 2013, we can't even see one in person here.
I know a couple of people with deposits on the 2013 myself included.
From what I've seen, I love everything about the new design and have been hoarding images and videos for months!

Excited to hear more about the new ride!
Oh, What color did you get?
 

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He got the best color, "White."

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Re: New Burgman 650. Living with a Facelift!

Greetings again, late evening, a bottle of wine, finally the rain has stopped.
OK, lets get down to business....
The New Burgman.....

Firstly, I thought everyone in the US would be miles ahead of us cloggies, so I'm a bit surprised. I've written quite an extensive review already about the new 'bitch', but I'll try and shoehorn the details here.

She's had botox. Simple as that. Not a bad job either. She's gone from FAT to seriously dieted. Looks are 2013. Colours are, Black Gloss, Grey Slate Matt, Ice Blue White. Choice is yours. Personally, I hate them all, but took white. I'll respray her next year.....

The big changes are the transmission. All that clutch drag, having to stop the engine when cold to reverse etc etc have gone. Slight cost......, she now takes 500 rpm more to move off, so those low rev trickle away from the lights have given way to a 'bit' more throttle. Having said that, it's no where as bad as the big BMW Scooter, that's bloody awful. If you are too gentle with the revs, there's a slight snatch in the clutch take-up, but if you give it a moderate handful, she pulls away beautifully. Transmission has been stepped down 500 rpm, so at cruising speeds..... errr 80 mph (112kms), she ticking over at around 4,300, which is less than my two previous Burgmans. I notice in town, that she is hovering at around 2,500rpm, where before it was always around 3200 however gentle you were with the throttle. Also, those of us who use triptronics, in Auto, the Burgman now uses lower revs when squeezing around town quietly and thus, you get the Burgman vibe at low revs (rather nice). The needle rests at 2500 most of the time and of course, that 'bloody' guilty 'you are driving SO GREEN' light comes on to remind you that your white underpants are still clean enough for an accident....!..... Hate it, but makes me laugh too.

Switch gear is the classic Burgman layout, perfect, so no change. Brakes, no change, although the handbrake is now on the left, under my knee. Oh my God, how long will it take to get used to that!.... I've grabbed my right side a dozen times already. Habits. I likes the old Handbrake, but apparently others didn't. It works fine, I'll get used to it, or it to me.

Mirrors have lost the 80's look, so has the dash. Nice thing though is, everything works exactly the same as the old model, EVERYTHING. They just moved the furniture a bit.

Heated everything, works. Cubby holes, work. Handling, screen height, weight, shopping capacity, you name, it, it still works, just a bit better.

The plastic got thinner & the knitting together of all those panels got more clever, but that means, more complicated too. I pulled the front off yesterday to fit double klaxons ()much needed in Amsterdam), a buzzer for the indicators so those pesky cyclists can 'hear' I'm turning and a splash guard for the bottom of the front fender, to keep the **** out of my radiator (same as the old model, all the mods I did). I just shohorned the whole lot from my old bike to the new....., easy. BUT, the fitting of the panels uses even less clips, far more 'clunk click" technology & more care is needed. Much more. I have to say, those little people in Japan are VERY clever., but if you crash it, you'd better have decent insurance. it's gonna cost a bob or two to fix for sure.

After I've finished here, I'm going downstairs to finish 'wax-oiling' various parts of the bike. The plastic cover over the final drive is 'still' the same, attracting water and corroding the f..k out of the rear drive casings. I got wise to this in 2003 and before this baby gets wet, I've had that lot apart, sprayed loads of wax-oil on all the alloy underneath, all over the frame tubes (you call that paint???), & any where else that looks as though the paint/alloy is so thin, if I sneeze, corrosion will appear. That swing arm cover is a bugger and it's still the same........ (did you ever check yours?).

So after all of that, what are we left with? A new Dash, Updated Transmission, Bits and Bobs. Conclusion. If you can live with your old 'Bitch', live with her. If you've got money to burn, the new one is very nice too. I got offered a 2011, 220 kms for a huge huge discount, but hey, out with the old, in with the new. I'm happy I made the switch, but don't do it unless you really can't do without.... In all honesty, there's bugger all between them., save a good diet.

Have Fun...... maybe I can answer 'your' questions.

Back to the wax oil then......

Hugs from Amsterdam. Mark
 

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The 2500 rpm thing sounds really good, the +500 takeoff rpm don't.
Have you tried manual mode to see if it just upshifts sooner or if they've raised the overall gearing, which I doubt.
While you had the cover off to install the horn, you could have calibrated the ambient air temperature sensor with a suitable resistor in series connection.
About 0.4 Ohm added resistance equals 4 less degrees celcius at +4 degrees celsius.
 

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Thanks for the run down Mark.

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I've just bolted it all back together. Going for a ride in the now late evening sunshine.

Eric, I appreciate greatly the technical information, but it's a bit rocket science to me.
Maybe you could put it in 'bike mechanic's terms'. For example, what am I looking for under the radiator cover.
There are various sensors poked into various housings, such as the air filter box?, is this it? On my car, the sensor
is a brass looking affair with one wire coming from it. On the Burgman, no idea what I am looking for under there.

The take off revs aren't that bad, just different, but the ability to move the bike running is great!... I'll settle for this mod happily.

Back after a 60 miles run..... lets see what comes up now.

M
 

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It's located opposite the air cleaner box, wire colors are blue and black/white, black/white being ground.
The blue wire goes straight to the instrument panel and nowhere else.
 

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Thanks Eric for the details. Tomorrow I will go and poke around. The temperature gauge is about 2.5'c too high, which was exactly the same on my old Bitch. I would have thought Suzuki would have sorted that one out & indeed, the more than 10% error on the speedo too. Still the same. Also the same is the flashing fuel gauge. Very annoying...., only to be repeated again.
Back to the Temperature, maybe you'd tell me exactly what I should put where to correct this, again in reasonable simple terms please. We have a shop in Amsterdam that sells the most crazy assortment of diodes, switches, capacitors & the like for everything, so what ever you prescribe, they will have.

And my run?, now it's late & getting cold. I'm tired. Tour was nice, giving her a bit more throttle now, easing her in. I'm keeping her under 5000rpm which on this updated model is quiet easy. She's definitely 'lower' revving in the gears. In town/villages, on light throttle, she'll tick over at 2400 rpm going a long quite happily. She won't go lower & give her a handful of throttle & off she goes with the needle climbing rapidly towards 4500rpm, as said, at least 500 less than my last Burgman. Brakes are fab & the heavy engine breaking has all but gone. I'm not sad to see that go, for me, I found it rather tiresome, especially in town.

I've pushed and pulled the Trip Tronic. Perfect change over from A to M, & M to A, perfect. The 'preset' gaps/changes have been re-arranged because before, between 2nd & 3rd, was a hug gap, now it's better placed. Was impressed with the improvement.

Headlights are now as conventional as a car, both dipped, both full beam. Much better although I'm going to change the stock bulbs for those rather dashy Phillips X-tremeVision *****
They are great.... bright and pure light...., a must. Standard H4's now, but you need to pull the glove boxes back from the bulkhead to get to the bulbs (according to the manual anyway). I'll take a look and see if I can squeeze my hand up there (she cried).

I think that just about wrapps it up as far as the New Burgman is concerned. Hope all this blurb has given you a clear idea of what's new, what's old, what's been left off.

Have a great weekend. Mark
 
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