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A couple months ago I stopped by a dealer and checked out the new 650. I was really surprised at how large a bike it is. After that kind of decided it wasn't for me but turned my attention to the 400.
 
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I just have the normal vices...drinking, cussing....

What are those bolts for?
Sorry G-dub I meant nuts. I got the two conical washers and the two nuts. I kind of beat up the 24 mm nut on the clutch. It was harder to come off. I think I pressed the wrong button on my impact wrench. $9.11 wont kill me for them. I gave more then that to the casino last week!
 

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I'm going to put everything together today. My case is cleaned out of dust. Question: Does anyone clean the dust off the drive belt? I'll wipe it down with a clean rag, but does anyone use solvent or degreaser on it? It might be a silly question but I thought I would ask.
 

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I just pass a rag over it. it will make no difference to clean it so well with so much other gunk in there.

very interesting through. I saw a piaggio shop mechanic on youtube scuff up the pulleys, front/back with sandpaper and it makes sense. he uses coarse grit but I personally will use around 800 grit to remove the shinyness from them. makes sense to do it if you do it to the bell/pads[
 

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Unless there was evidence of grease on the belt I would be leary of putting a solvent on it. Worst case of grease or oil I might use a very little solvent on a rag that wouldn't soak into the belt. I could see it having some kind of reaction that might weaken or reduce the belt life.

Interesting about scuffing the pulleys. I always wipe the drive faces with a solvent such as carb or brake cleaner. Beyond that I can't see scuffing with a fine grit of 400 or more will really help or hurt. As soon as you ride, the belt will polish it smooth again. Coarse grit could put gouges in the metal... I've never seen any of the knowledgeable folks on other forums recommend this. One way you could use it to your advantage when experimenting with the weights/sliders, belt or variator is to scuff the pulley faces just to dull the sheen, then go out and ride for a while. When you disassemble it you will be able to see where your belt was in the pulley to know if you're taking full advantage of the gearing range.
 

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heres a video of his, FYI

I plan on doing it for my pulleys. but not coarse as he did. I do it for my bell for better "bite" so makes sense for the belt as well. clutch pads also glaze.

otoh, he didnt grease the inside of the boss pin so meh
 

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The most abrasive stuff I'd do is maybe rub the pulley faces down with some 000 Steelwool dipped in maybe acetone or denatured alcohol. The rubber belt wil get enough traction on the faces without much help. I think anything rougher will just make things wear faster. I have never touched a rubber belt CVT except the Comet Drive for go carts so what do I know.....
 
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I'm going to put everything together today. My case is cleaned out of dust. Question: Does anyone clean the dust off the drive belt? I'll wipe it down with a clean rag, but does anyone use solvent or degreaser on it? It might be a silly question but I thought I would ask.
I would use warm water with a little soap to clean the belt. Never solvents or degreasers because these dry the belt and ends up cracking. To remove the dust between the teeth of the belt, I would use a toothbrush. Afterwards, rinse well and let dry in the shade, never in the sun.
 

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I'm going to put everything together today. My case is cleaned out of dust. Question: Does anyone clean the dust off the drive belt? I'll wipe it down with a clean rag, but does anyone use solvent or degreaser on it? It might be a silly question but I thought I would ask.
I never washed anything inside my CVT case in 77,000 miles. I did wipe out any grease on the inside of the case and blew out the dust with compressed air.

Doing anything on the variator surface where the belt rests, is a good way to get premature belt wear.

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Well, got everything buttoned up. Took a little bit figuring all the screws and fasteners in reverse order. Started it up with the cover off. After putting the side pieces back on I took a spin just around the neighborhood. No strange noises. Right away noticed it revs much higher to engage the clutch like 3500-4000 rpm. sounds like it is revving higher at lower speeds with the Flying Roller lotus blossom sliders. To tell you the truth it feels like the bikes balls got a little bigger. I'll probably take it on some local rides and work it up to highway speed. More to come.


 
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So I drove the scooter on the streets to the Aliante casino today and back on the highway. I have to say it is pretty quick. When you burp the accelerator you can actually feel the clutch "hit". Good acceleration. Lower RPM on the highway. May have lost some top end but 90 is plenty fast for me. See how all the variator and clutch parts hold up.

It seems to have to rev it higher to engage off the line. I wonder if that is due to adding a spacer to the main clutch spring. All in all it is working out.
 

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How's the oomph on the highway when you go to pass?

I'm with you on the top end, 90 is plenty fast. But I'm concerned about sudden acceleration for passing or avoiding an accident.
 

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How's the oomph on the highway when you go to pass?

I'm with you on the top end, 90 is plenty fast. But I'm concerned about sudden acceleration for passing or avoiding an accident.
I just spent a short time at highway speeds today. Will have to take a trip to find out.
 

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I just spent a short time at highway speeds today. Will have to take a trip to find out.
So it's been a while now... I don't recall seeing any updates on this, although I may have missed it.

How are the new rollers/sliders holding up for you? Would you recommend them over the stock rollers?
 

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So far I'm pretty happy with the set up. I'm thinking when I hit 6000 miles I'll take off the side cover and check how everything is holding up. Change the rear diff oil. Check how much dust is in the case. Acceleration is still great. The Burgman will no longer red line with this set up. I rarely go over 85 mph so top end it's not a real concern to me.
 
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So far I'm pretty happy with the set up. I'm thinking when I hit 6000 miles I'll take off the side cover and check how everything is holding up. Change the rear diff oil. Check how much dust is in the case. Acceleration is still great. The Burgman will no longer red line with this set up. I rarely go over 85 mph so top end it's not a real concern to me.
Have you noticed any change in the mileage?
 

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I seem to be averaging somewhere between 50-55 mpg. I always take off pretty fast at lights so I'm sure that effects my mileage.
 

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@Uncle Fester So... it's been a while... Would you recommend these sliders? I'm finally getting around to replacing the belt. I may need to replace the rollers too (16k miles and probably nothing replaced before I bought it). So thinking I may as well starting looking at options a little more seriously.
 

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@Uncle Fester So... it's been a while... Would you recommend these sliders? I'm finally getting around to replacing the belt. I may need to replace the rollers too (16k miles and probably nothing replaced before I bought it). So thinking I may as well starting looking at options a little more seriously.
My scooter seems pretty fast from a stop. Top end when I was testing the other day was about 86 mph and no red line. Not sure if you want such a reduction from top end of 100 mph or so but I no longer have the need to go that fast.
 
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