Can you provide more pro/con details of your helmet please.I've got the LS2 Valient, love it.
Thank you very much for getting back to me with your "heads on" feedback cooperman ... exactly what I was looking for. I've tried on the LS2 Valiant II lid and it seems to fit me very well. I'd love to try the new Shark EVO GT on too but nobody within a 5 hour riding radius seems to have one that I can try on. Apparently the new Shark GT is easier to manipulate when moving over its predecessor.Suzi, I bought the LS2 about a year ago, I wanted a flip that went right back. The LS2 is certified in both positions so that is good. It was between that one and the Shark. It is very comfortable, I've had no problems with it, quality seems good.
To be honest I mainly ride with it flipped back, more so when I'm riding the Burgman because of the Givi screen protection but it's nice to have the option to use it as a full face when it's raining, not that it rains much in the UK. I'd love one over in Spain also but they are quite expensive over there, my plan was to take it over in the motorhome as I have a bike on the back and leave it there and buy another for UK when I got back but the covid scuppered plans somewhat. I made sure I tried both before I bought and I preffered the LS2, as I recall it was easier to flip than the Shark, when on the move. Try them both before you buy, you might prefer the Shark. I would buy another LS2 tomorrow.
All this talk about flip over helmets made me order LS2 valiant II in titan matte, shame on you guys 😁😁I have never needed to use the flip up while at speed, only at a stop.
So when stopped, I can fire up my 'Hookah' * with my helmet on. The wind blows my matches out at speed so do not need the flip up part then.
*Borkum Riff Black Cavendish
After you receive and use it for a while, you are obligated to post your review of the Valiant II you know! That comes with the territory ... lolAll this talk about flip over helmets made me order LS2 valiant II in titan matte, shame on you guys 😁😁
Sure, when i come home mid June, i will post few pictures here in few days when my wife receives itAfter you receive and use it for a while, you are obligated to post your review of the Valiant II you know! That comes with the territory ... lol
G'day I have a LS2 VALIANT II When I bought it I tried on a large and thought it was okay especially since the salesperson there saying oh yes perfect fit looks good. I was going off what I usually wore with my open face which was a large. Anyhow the sales guy kinda rushing me in a roundabout sort of way I bought it.Recently, I've spent hours researching modular helmets. It's time to replace my older GMAX 27S 3/4 jet fighter helmet which has served me well but is starting to show it's age i.e. looser fit (no replacement pads available, I broke some plastic screws when dismantling it to clean all the bits, some cracking of the soft plastic neck collar etc.
I've always been intrigued by the flip UP modular helmets ... more specifically the 180* FLIP OVER helmets. I've eliminate all of the flip UP only helmets due to fit, price, functionality/features or country availability. This included the Schuberth C4 Pro, Shoei Neotec II, AGV Sportmodular and X-Lite X1005 simply based on price, the Nolan N100-5 and Bell SRT based on them only being a flip UP vs. a FLIP OVER, the HJC RPHA 90S based on fit and the Scorpion EXO Tech and ROOF R09 based on them not being available in Canada (or North America I believe) even though they are FLIP OVER units.
I will not buy a helmet on-line that I can't try on first. To expensive to return and too much hassle in my opinion. That leaves me with the LS2 Valiant II or the recently launched/ES updated SHARK EVO GT as my only choices and the new Shark is still very rare here in Canada and no where to try one on for fit. I like the improvements I've read and seen in the reviews that have been made to the LS2 Valiant II helmet over it's predecessor the original Valiant. I tried one on and it seems to fit me well from all the size, head shape etc. criteria albeit it feels a bit weird never having worn a modular or full face before. I guess I'l get used to the chipmunk cheeks pressure and tighter feel. That could be because it was brand new too as my is beyond being well broken in.
My question is: does anybody have any heads on experience with either of these two helmets (the newer LS2 Valiant II or the SHARK EVO GT) and what are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
I've had the LS2 for a couple of months.Recently, I've spent hours researching modular helmets. It's time to replace my older GMAX 27S 3/4 jet fighter helmet which has served me well but is starting to show it's age i.e. looser fit (no replacement pads available, I broke some plastic screws when dismantling it to clean all the bits, some cracking of the soft plastic neck collar etc.
I've always been intrigued by the flip UP modular helmets ... more specifically the 180* FLIP OVER helmets. I've eliminate all of the flip UP only helmets due to fit, price, functionality/features or country availability. This included the Schuberth C4 Pro, Shoei Neotec II, AGV Sportmodular and X-Lite X1005 simply based on price, the Nolan N100-5 and Bell SRT based on them only being a flip UP vs. a FLIP OVER, the HJC RPHA 90S based on fit and the Scorpion EXO Tech and ROOF R09 based on them not being available in Canada (or North America I believe) even though they are FLIP OVER units.
I will not buy a helmet on-line that I can't try on first. To expensive to return and too much hassle in my opinion. That leaves me with the LS2 Valiant II or the recently launched/ES updated SHARK EVO GT as my only choices and the new Shark is still very rare here in Canada and no where to try one on for fit. I like the improvements I've read and seen in the reviews that have been made to the LS2 Valiant II helmet over it's predecessor the original Valiant. I tried one on and it seems to fit me well from all the size, head shape etc. criteria albeit it feels a bit weird never having worn a modular or full face before. I guess I'l get used to the chipmunk cheeks pressure and tighter feel. That could be because it was brand new too as my is beyond being well broken in.
My question is: does anybody have any heads on experience with either of these two helmets (the newer LS2 Valiant II or the SHARK EVO GT) and what are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
These are very strong claims about flip-over helmets, offered with no supporting facts. I'd be interested to see links to real data, lab-controlled crash tests, etc.The issue with most of the convertible helmets like you're talking about is that they're really 3/4 helmets in full face disguse. The chin bar is there pretty much for looks from what I've read and videos I've watched. If you want a chin bar get an actual modular/full face helmet that will protect your face when/if the time come that you need it.
I was looking at the nolan n70 and ruled it out because of the faux chin bar and the heavy weight of the helmet.
Fort9 on YouTube had a review of it a while back that was pretty informative.
In my research, I discovered some interesting test data provided by the SHARP organization out of the UK. FYI - they refer to modular helmets as "system" helmets.These are very strong claims about flip-over helmets, offered with no supporting facts. I'd be interested to see links to real data, lab-controlled crash tests, etc.
That thar is sum REALLY GOOD info! thanks!In my research, I discovered some interesting test data provided by the SHARP organization out of the UK. FYI - they refer to modular helmets as "system" helmets.
SHARP Helmet Testing - UK
I think webBikeWorld's main helmet-review page these days starts here: Motorcycle Helmet Reviews Archives | webBikeWorld...
btw, goto webbikeworld. they have great guides and reviews on helemts. not sure wth happened to them since they revamped their site. its not the same.
Long-Time Modular Helmet Wearer Here:
FWIW, I've been wearing modular, AKA flip-up, helmets for about two decades now, and here are my comments.
History:
I started street riding back in 1997, when I was 49. Before that, I had ridden dirt bikes off-road as a teenager, but that was it.
For the first few years of street riding, being already old enough to have accumulated a tiny bit of wisdom, I started right off with full-face helmets. My starting-off routine was: take off glasses, and put them on the bike's seat; put on helmet; pick up glasses off the ground, where they blown or otherwise just fallen off; put glasses on. Also, if it was raining at the time, the glasses got wet(ter) in the process.
Since that wasn't too satisfactory a procedure, I was an early user of flip-ups. I've just tried to piece together a list from old receipts, emails, etc., and here are my purchases, as best I can reconstruct this chronological list:
(I think I'm missing one other cheaper helmet in there, which I didn't wind up wearing very long, but the details escape me at the moment.)
- Nolan's first modular, I think, purchased c. 1999.
- Airoh (which was, I think, one of the names used by Jarrow, along with, later, Caberg), c. 2003.
- Caberg "Justissimo," c. 2007; this was my first flip-up with an internal sun visor (included on all that followed, too).
- Nolan N90.
- Nolan N100-5, 2018.
Wearing:
I never wear a flip-up in anything but the locked-down position while riding. I appreciate the convenience of not having to remove glasses when putting the helmet on or taking it off, the convenience of getting a little more air when stopping for gas. Or maybe just keeping the helmet on when going into a quik-e-mart to get some cold Gatorade, and so forth.
If you're old enough to remember this: I also liked to be able to have a quick, clear, chat with a toll collector, to ask for directions, back in the day.
These helmets, however far back on your head the flip-up mechanism goes, certainly cannot afford near-full-face protection levels when not locked in place. If protecting your jaw and related areas doesn't matter to you, I wonder why we're even discussing these helmets. Might as get a three-quarter helmet.
(I hope I didn't just come across as a holier-than-thou type of person, regarding rider protection. It's all about personal decisions of trade-offs. I don't ride in MotoGP-level gear, such as those plastic boots, full leathers, and you can buy the air-bag vests and jackets commercially these days. I do always wear: gloves; the helmet; and an armored jacket. And most of the time: motorcycle boots, Kevlar jeans, and Bohn armor. So in anything less than MotoGP gear, no one should be putting themselves on a pedestal, IMO. And if you look at those pros, you'll really see what chipmunk-like cheeks they have in their helmets, which is also way tighter than I have helmets fit.)
Where were we ... ?
With the newer models, I also never have just the sun visor down. That is, those sun visors are meant to block light, not, say, stones. So I always have the shield proper -- the clear outer one -- down (and typically raised to the first notch, for airflow). And then the sun visor is worked independently of that.
Fit:
I have what I think the helmet articles refer to as an "oval"-shaped head. As others have said, there's no substitute for trying on helmets. And I think it's a nice courtesy to buy a helmet where you're trying one on.
I'm fortunate to be able to attend the Americade rally (about an hour's ride for me) most years. They have a huge vendor area, and I wind up buying most of my helmets there. If you're able to attend a large rally or motorcycle trade show, I recommend those for your purchases.
Ventilation:
One of the reasons I periodically get new helmets is a quest for better ventilation. It's never great, and it always seems to be optimal only when leaned way over on an unfaired sportbike, anyway. I've long had the opinion that if it's incredibly hot out, then it's probably too hot to go riding in the first place.
(Another reason, of course, was the introduction of those sun visors. I've also been somewhat following the introduction of the "Transitions"-like outer visors, but I'm still not convinced they change quickly enough when entering tunnels.)
A few years ago at Americade, Shoei was allowing helmet trials during the various demo rides that the bike manufacturers hosted. That was a first (and possibly a last), and was a nice treat. I got to try out a Neotec; it was a good helmet, but I was not overwhelmed by it. I was hoping to be, um, blown away by its ventilation properties, but was not. As I say, these work best in a racing crouch, with no windshield at all, but that is not how I ride (even if I am a look-over rider, when it comes to windshields).
Noise Level:
The noise level is largely irrelevant to me, although it matters to some folks. I wear hearing aids off the bike, and for many years I've been wearing custom-molded ear plugs when riding. I'm trying to preserve what hearing I have left, but also you feel much more relaxed, less worn out, at the end of long day's ride when you haven't been subjected to wind noise for hours.
I started out getting molded plugs at the bike shows (from the same vendors who often attend hunting shows, I've learned, if that floats your boat better). This entails haveing a bubble-gum-like substance put in your ears, and sitting still for about 15 minutes. It works well, and the trick here is a quarter-turn twist when putting them in or taking them out.
I think it was about six years ago that I switched to full silicone plugs. I got these at my hearing-aid office; they took a mold, similar to what the trade-show vendors do, except that the mold was then sent out-of-house to a hearing-aid vendor, to make the silicone plugs from that (as opposed to the bubble-gum's being the actual final product). These work even better, and are even more comfortable.
Here's a pic I took five years ago, for some forum post discussion on that (and the hearing aids, lower right, have since been replaced by a newer model):
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I wear the silicones for any ride longer than a trip to a local hardware store (and for those short rides, I just leave my hearing aids in, but turn them off).
Protection:
Back to helmets proper.
I think there was some plastic locking pin use back in the early days, but I'm pretty sure it's all metal pin use these days, at least in the non-cheapo brands.
Ideally, you also want to have the chin bar padded, like the rest of the helmet. For some reason, my current N100-5 doesn't do that, but at least it's not hard plastic there -- it's thick, and has some give -- and I like the rest of the helmet.
I've done four "Non-Sportbike" track days over the last few years. These were originally put on by Tony's Track Days here in the northeast, but have now been spun off to Ken Condon's Riding in the Zone courses. See Non-Sportbike Track Day Training (and if you go about halfway down that page, that's a pic of me on Big Red, my Victory bagger).
In the discussion of RIDING GEAR on that page -- this is not a place for jeans, for instance -- there is this paragraph:
Helmets must be FULL-FACED. High quality modular helmets will be allowed but must remain in the locked position when on track.
When I first started out doing this, I had the N90. I emailed ahead, to make sure that this was on their acceptable list, and it was. So there's that.
And so I don't feel undesirably unprotected with the modulars, but, as these instructors note, we're talking about riding in the "locked position."
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Now, for something completely different, regarding an earlier post here:
I think webBikeWorld's main helmet-review page these days starts here: Motorcycle Helmet Reviews Archives | webBikeWorld
What happened is that a guy by the name of Rick Korchak founded the site, and was its sole proprietor. He wrote many of the articles himself, or with a couple of frequent co-authors. He also outsourced many articles to a bunch of stringers, which is how I came to know him; I wrote about a dozen articles for wBW (for "modest stipends," which Rick also described to me as "Not much, but 'better than a sharp stick in the eye'").
In July 2017, Rick decided to retire from what had become his retirement job, and sold wBW to a corporate outfit. And, yep, I certainly agree that wBW is "not the same" anymore (and, despite an initial invitation, I haven't written for the new owner). You can read about it here, straight from the horse's mouth:
Thank you for the kind words.BINGO! We have a winner! Great post.
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I'm with Bill and don't feel the need to go full MotoGP for my gear, but I'm also not doing track racing style riding. Not that braving the high (enough) speeds of modern highways can't be just as dangerous sometimes.
For the first few years of street riding, being already old enough to have accumulated a tiny bit of wisdom, I started right off with full-face helmets. My starting-off routine was: take off glasses, and put them on the bike's seat; put on helmet; pick up glasses off the ground, where they blown or otherwise just fallen off; put glasses on. Also, if it was raining at the time, the glasses got wet(ter) in the process.
Since that wasn't too satisfactory a procedure, I was an early user of flip-ups.
I never wear a flip-up in anything but the locked-down position while riding. I appreciate the convenience of not having to remove glasses when putting the helmet on or taking it off, the convenience of getting a little more air when stopping for gas. Or maybe just keeping the helmet on when going into a quik-e-mart to get some cold Gatorade, and so forth
With the newer models, I also never have just the sun visor down. That is, those sun visors are meant to block light, not, say, stones. So I always have the shield proper -- the clear outer one -- down (and typically raised to the first notch, for airflow). And then the sun visor is worked independently of that.
Brilliant write-up - Thanks.BINGO! We have a winner! Great post.