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A common story here, old guy with health issues who needs to part with my wonderful 2001 Valkyrie and go
lighter and lose the clutch. Local dealer didn't have a Burgman, let alone any other bikes on the floor. Called around and
a dealer 3 hours away has a left over, new, 2011 silver 400. Sales guy said it has never been started, battery hasn't even had acid added, so it is like a brand new bike. I worry a little about a bike that has been sitting on the floor, and probably crawled all over by hundreds of kids, being in "like new" shape. With the $400 rebate, he is offering it for $6895 OTD (we have 6% sales tax here in MI). Original MSRP was $7,499. So, two questions-

1) should I be concerned buying a bike that has sat for 2 years (or more depending on when they got it in)?
2) Is this a good price, or can I do better?

If my research is correct, there have been no changes made to the scoot since 2011, right? (Ok, snuck in a 3rd question) :p

Thanks for your help!
 

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Sounds like a good deal to me. Except for ABS 2011, 2012, 2013 are very much the same. You should be able to get the 0% for 60 months with no down also through Easter. Suzuki may keep it longer but if needed that's a good deal also :wink:
 

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I just purchased a 2013 Burgman 400 ABS but I started out to buy either a 2011 or 2012 new/leftover 400.

I found two 2011's in my area - both in the silver/gray. OTD pice from one dealer was $6,700 and the other dealer wanted $6,669 plus they were going to throw in a $100 gift certificate at their place.

The second place would not take my 2009 Piaggio MP3 in on trade and I was about to drive out to the second dealer to see what he would offer for trade when I located a 2013 400 from a third dealer that offered me an OTD price of $7,500 plus $4,000 for my trade so I took it.

BTW - OTD did not include sales tax which is 6.25% in MA.

Good luck in your search.
 

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Considering the scarcity of these primo machines, in your area, it is not a bad deal, but I got the White one in Sep 2011 for $7080.00 OTD tax title whole she-bang. There may be some room to negotiate, IMHO.
 

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Sounds like a good deal to me. Except for ABS 2011, 2012, 2013 are very much the same. You should be able to get the 0% for 60 months with no down also through Easter. Suzuki may keep it longer but if needed that's a good deal also :wink:
I thought the 2011 had ABS. Are you saying they changed something to the ABS after 2011?
 

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Both 2011 and 2012 have ABS as standard equipment.

I get a little confused about what the OTD price should include. I wouldn't include tax, title, tags, etc / anything the state would tack on. This can vary from state to state and makes it hard for an apple to apple comparrison . I would think OTD should only include what the dealer charges - price, freight, set up, doc fee, etc.

In MA you don't pay the dealer for RMV charges - you pay them at the registry. In my case it was 6.25% sales tax on the dealer's OTD price minus my trade value, transfer of registration and a title fee for a total of $318.
 

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Both 2011 and 2012 have ABS as standard equipment.

I get a little confused about what the OTD price should include. I wouldn't include tax, title, tags, etc / anything the state would tack on. This can vary from state to state and makes it hard for an apple to apple comparrison . I would think OTD should only include what the dealer charges - price, freight, set up, doc fee, etc.

In MA you don't pay the dealer for RMV charges - you pay them at the registry. In my case it was 6.25% sales tax on the dealer's OTD price minus my trade value, transfer of registration and a title fee for a total of $318.
In my world, OTD has always meant just that, the total amount you are paying to drive it "out the door".

Since I posted this, came across a new left over white 2012 only an hour and a half away. He quoted me
$ 7364 OTD. When I did the math, he is actually only knocking off $285...that is not enough for it being a
year old. But if I can get it for a couple hundred cheaper, may go for it. Thanks all!!!
 

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I bought a new 2008 400 in April 2011 for a huge discount. I did not do anything special to it, except to ride it. It had sat in a crate that whole time. Just shy of two years and over 25000 miles later, it still has had nothing done to it. I would go for it...and soon. Demand will go up in the next month as the weather gets better.

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My 1/50 of a dollar...
It's 2 years old, despite having no miles, it's still 2 years old. With associated Blue Book numbers to look at.
Japanese bikes depreciate like, well, Japanese bikes.

BUT

Motorcycles are an emotional decision mostly. So buy it if it works for you. :)
 

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Well, and please don't flame me Burgman lovers, but I went to see the 400 in person. It's funny
how you get a perception and picture in your mind's eye, based on internet photos and reviews.

Now, this may have a lot to do with my coming off of a huge monster of a bike (Honda Valkyrie), with it's
six cylinder car engine between my legs and almost 800 lbs of heft. However, I was initially struck with how
small it looked, then how low to the ground I sat. I felt (again, no flames please) that I was sitting on
some kids mini bike. I also was disappointed with the quality of materials. I thought it was sturdier with
quality plastic and such. The seat hinge felt flimsy when it was raised and the liner for the storage area
was like a cheap felt that would line a k-mart jewelry box.

The kicker was when my wife sat on the back.
She is tiny and the wide seat made her have to strain her legs and was uncomfortable because of that. He is getting a
650 in next week and since it is taller and, I assume, a higher grade of materials (you know, being an "Executive" and all) maybe I will like it better.
But, that will probably have the same wide passenger seat.

I was really hoping this would work out, but maybe not meant to be. Will keep you posted after I see the 650.
Thanks for all your help.
 

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Well, and please don't flame me Burgman lovers, but I went to see the 400 in person. It's funny
how you get a perception and picture in your mind's eye, based on internet photos and reviews.

Now, this may have a lot to do with my coming off of a huge monster of a bike (Honda Valkyrie), with it's
six cylinder car engine between my legs and almost 800 lbs of heft. However, I was initially struck with how
small it looked, then how low to the ground I sat. I felt (again, no flames please) that I was sitting on
some kids mini bike. I also was disappointed with the quality of materials. I thought it was sturdier with
quality plastic and such. The seat hinge felt flimsy when it was raised and the liner for the storage area
was like a cheap felt that would line a k-mart jewelry box.

The kicker was when my wife sat on the back.
She is tiny and the wide seat made her have to strain her legs and was uncomfortable because of that. He is getting a
650 in next week and since it is taller and, I assume, a higher grade of materials (you know, being an "Executive" and all) maybe I will like it better.
But, that will probably have the same wide passenger seat.

I was really hoping this would work out, but maybe not meant to be. Will keep you posted after I see the 650.
Thanks for all your help.
I felt just like you when I downsized my car. I went from a Town Car to a Kia Optima. Everything was higher quality, more solid and smaller on the Optima. However, after 29,000 miles and an adjustment, I find it more nimble, far more economical and an overall better vehicle than the Lincoln. It was the same thing when I went from my BMW R1200CLC to my 400. I still have the BMW but I find myself riding the 400 instead of it. It's an adjustment and I was surprised at how much better I like both of my downsizes.
 
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