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I have owned a Yamaha Tmax since 2009,,, this spring I want a new maxi scooter. I understand the new Tmax is no longer sold in the U.S. and the new BMW is out cause of the bad reviews of the cheap sounding Kymco engine.
It all comes down to either the Burgman 650 or the Honda Silverwing.
I understand this is a Burgman site and you guys are going to pick the Burgman over the Honda,,,and i agree, the Burgman is a great scoot, but I have personal problems with the Suzuki Dealers in my area where they have ripped me off in the past and its tough dealing with them again after they screwed me,,, so my other alternative is looking for a used Burgman so i can avoid the dealers.
The issue I have with the Silverwing is its small wheels and rough handling and uncomfortable feel at highway speeds.
I currently use my Tmax as a across the state touring bike running long distance runs as business dealings by saving on fuel costs,, but the Tmax has me spoiled as a fun and extreme handling bike and I have a problem with the Burgman not handling the tight curves like the Tmax does. But one big advantage is the Burgman has much more storage space under the seat that I need, but I can make that up with a 50L topcase already on my Tmax.
I am just afraid that I am so used and in love with my Tmax that no other scoot is going to please me,,, but at the same time my Tmax is wearing out and needs replaced.
The Burgman is leading over the Silverwing,,, money isn't an issue cause I need one,,, tell me something i never thought of.
 

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I am surprised to learn that the TMAX is not being offered in the US for 2013, that is a great shame.

I am also sorry to learn of your poor experience with Suzuki dealers in your area.It would be a bummer to give them any more business.

Getting down to brass tacks.

Design is a compromise.There is no doubt the TMAX, Burgman, Silverwing are all fine machines but all have strengths and weaknesses. In terms of handling I would say the Silverwing brings up the rear of the pack whereas the TMAX and Burgman are pretty **** close as evidenced by their performance on the racing circuits (Europe). As you pointed out the Burgman has the TMAX licked for storage space. The Burgman is a Lardy bike but to be honest you only notice that when man hauling and on the move it is as every bit as adept as the TMAX.

But what would I recommend for you? You say your are prepared to buy a pre owned Burger so why not buy a preowned TMAX - that would be the lowest risk decision for you. However if you wish to take advantage of the additional storage space without any significant road wise performance and handling penalties - go Burger. You pay so your choice and there is no right answer - without hindsight.
 

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There are Many "new" TMax's out there and ready for you to buy and ride. So buy one and ride it or does it have to be a 2013? :roll:
Have your Yamaha dealer search for you since they seem to have done you right in the past.
I personally would be riding one if it was lowered 2" on the seat height. 8)
To me though it sounds like you "really" want a mid-sized touring bike but are afraid to admit it. :wink:
 

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As 2013, Honda Silverwing no longer available here, just not sell compare to Burgman 400 & 650.
 

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I have owned a Yamaha Tmax since 2009,,, this spring I want a new maxi scooter. I understand the new Tmax is no longer sold in the U.S. and the new BMW is out cause of the bad reviews of the cheap sounding Kymco engine.
It all comes down to either the Burgman 650 or the Honda Silverwing.
I understand this is a Burgman site and you guys are going to pick the Burgman over the Honda,,,and i agree, the Burgman is a great scoot, but I have personal problems with the Suzuki Dealers in my area where they have ripped me off in the past and its tough dealing with them again after they screwed me,,, so my other alternative is looking for a used Burgman so i can avoid the dealers.
The issue I have with the Silverwing is its small wheels and rough handling and uncomfortable feel at highway speeds.
I currently use my Tmax as a across the state touring bike running long distance runs as business dealings by saving on fuel costs,, but the Tmax has me spoiled as a fun and extreme handling bike and I have a problem with the Burgman not handling the tight curves like the Tmax does. But one big advantage is the Burgman has much more storage space under the seat that I need, but I can make that up with a 50L topcase already on my Tmax.
I am just afraid that I am so used and in love with my Tmax that no other scoot is going to please me,,, but at the same time my Tmax is wearing out and needs replaced.
The Burgman is leading over the Silverwing,,, money isn't an issue cause I need one,,, tell me something i never thought of.

Absolute must try Burgman 650, you be so so surprise and impress.

Many many BUSA member here ride for 20-30-40 + year, many have own 5-10-20 and more mc during such period, most here will say Burgman 650 is exceptional bike and will compare well if not better than many mc, burgie more confortable, versatile and better all around than most other mc they have before, except perhaps for mc like gold wing or BMW touring bike.

Last year during bike vacation in USA one from group have accident wreck new Honda, was in hospital 3 day, group have to ride about 400 mile back to get very confortable car to go back and pick-up rider with many broken rib, shoulder, ankle , knee, etc. Me have 115 lb passenger on Burgie but take lead of group, set ride pace for go back at continuous 80-85 mph sometime 90mph on interstate in several state, ride green mountain white mountain, adirondack and never slow down except gas stop, never shift at all but use power button few time, other riders with motorcycle believe they shift 2000 + time, they fatigue when get home, me could have continue many many mile more, and harley rider burn out by bike vibration of harley bike, everyone ride with me know Burgie 650 good machine, but now very very impress by speed maintain over such long distance.

When purchase first burgie in 2005 me worry a lot about what other think and say about me with big maxi-scoot intead of other mc, after when put several Harley bike in shame then me over that issue and Burgie 650 grow on you and more you ride more you love the burgie 650 bike.

Only 2 bike me would consider now, Goldwing and Victory Vision Tour, I go to show room I find both bike so beautiful but when get off and think have so much shifting again + engine heat that burn leg, I then become so very happy with Burgie 650 and so joyful get back on Burgie again.

Burgie 650 good in city yes, but even better when touring, incredible bike especially in mountain, twisties, fantastic biker in bad and good weather, It just do so many thing very well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGwXi60p7wY


This person own 28 mc, Burgman 650 is one of 2 favorite mc he own since 1966.

http://www.sportbikeroads.com/mybikes.htm


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I have owned a Yamaha Tmax since 2009,,, this spring I want a new maxi scooter. I understand the new Tmax is no longer sold in the U.S. and the new BMW is out cause of the bad reviews of the cheap sounding Kymco engine.
It all comes down to either the Burgman 650 or the Honda Silverwing.
I understand this is a Burgman site and you guys are going to pick the Burgman over the Honda,,,and i agree, the Burgman is a great scoot, but I have personal problems with the Suzuki Dealers in my area where they have ripped me off in the past and its tough dealing with them again after they screwed me,,, so my other alternative is looking for a used Burgman so i can avoid the dealers.
The issue I have with the Silverwing is its small wheels and rough handling and uncomfortable feel at highway speeds.
I currently use my Tmax as a across the state touring bike running long distance runs as business dealings by saving on fuel costs,, but the Tmax has me spoiled as a fun and extreme handling bike and I have a problem with the Burgman not handling the tight curves like the Tmax does. But one big advantage is the Burgman has much more storage space under the seat that I need, but I can make that up with a 50L topcase already on my Tmax.
I am just afraid that I am so used and in love with my Tmax that no other scoot is going to please me,,, but at the same time my Tmax is wearing out and needs replaced.
The Burgman is leading over the Silverwing,,, money isn't an issue cause I need one,,, tell me something i never thought of.
As a previous Silverwing owner my own choice would be.....spend some money on my T Max, AND buy a Burgman 400.

If you've got the money , best of both worlds !......just my take on things :thumbup:
 

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I can't find any new or used Tmax out there anywhere,,, no motorcycle, no Honda Gold Wing,,,, once i got addicted to scooters no turning back to me, just wish everybody else would have some respect for scooters,,, but I have learned its only about what pleases you that counts,,, I made the mistake in the past by owning the top of the line motorcycles just to impress and please everybody else except me,,, I think you Burgman owners understand that.
I have an option of traveling out of the area to find a Burgman instead of dealing with the local dealers and as soon as the winter is over and th snow melts I think I make the switch to the 650 Burgman,,, I know it will be a step up in power and performace than the Tmax, but will lose some of the handling,,, its a fair trade off and worth it. (spring fever is hitting me hard,, I wanta ride)
 

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seems to me about a million years ago when I was looking at them, the swing and the 650 got about the same gas mileage but that was about the only thing the swing had to compare with the 650, storage in cubic inches is just a number, try putting a 3 year old in and see which one you like better :oops: Honda is really proud of their brand name when it comes to parts and initial investment too, and labor later on if it becomes necessary, we have a couple of dealers around here that arent suzuki that sell burgmans, maybe you can find something along that line
 

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We currently own both a Silverwing and a 650 Burgie. Both are excellent motorbikes, both have their pluses and minuses. I would suggest to you that if you are less than 6 feet tall, or if you ride seldom 2 up, that you may find the wing absolutely a joy. I am 6' 3 tall, weigh too much at the moment, and my S.O. rides behind me approx 20 percent of the time. When she is on back, the Burgie is clearly a stronger more enjoyable mount, not that the wing is terrible. If you ride mostly solo, and your passenger is smaller in build, I believe you would be pleased with either bike. :thumbup:
 

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I know it will be a step up in power and performace than the Tmax, but will lose some of the handling,,, its a fair trade off and worth it. (spring fever is hitting me hard,, I wanta ride)
The Tmax is more flickable due to the weight but that ECVT is magic in the twisties and the brakes are awesome. Yes it carries more weight, but also more extremely useable power thanks to the Power button and the nature of the ECVT.

This is the review that got me started in the maxi - category ... bought a Silverwing but found it unstable on the highway. Switched to the 650 Burgman and it's best machine I've owned in 40 years of riding.
What was the big surprise was the handing in the twisties and I was coming off an RD400 which is superb in the twists.

The 650 feels light so you have to be careful not to carry too much speed into the corners but it powers out in a lovely manner and the engine braking is ideal for hard twist riding.

Odd that someone else was just asking about the TMax. I replied that it's lack of storage was a downer just like the BMW Sport 650.

Depends on your use. The 650 is a sports tourer no doubt ....I'm on an ST1100 Pan European sports tourer in Aus and my 650 Burgman Exec backhome would easily out handle it in the twists and feel about the same up to 60 mph ...after that the ST walks away ..hey it's a 4 with twice the CC.
But that comes with extra weight and heat and the dressed ST with side bags has less storage than a Burgman 650 with a top case.

Not sure what to advise. The 650 may not be your cuppa as you seem more sport than tour oriented.
 

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..................................clipped.........................Depends on your use. The 650 is a sports tourer no doubt ....I'm on an ST1100 Pan European sports tourer in Aus and my 650 Burgman Exec backhome would easily out handle it in the twists and feel about the same up to 60 mph ...after that the ST walks away ..hey it's a 4 with twice the CC.
But that comes with extra weight and heat and the dressed ST with side bags has less storage than a Burgman 650 with a top case.

Not sure what to advise. The 650 may not be your cuppa as you seem more sport than tour oriented.

As an Ex ST1100 owner, I'd have to say your comparison comments don't seem to be giving an objective view in my opinion.

As far as handling in the twists, I can't comment. I did practice and push my ST, and found it more than adequate, but have never done so on the Burgman, so can't fairly comment on this. But the ST is undeniably top heavy, and much more of a handful in car-parks.

As for acceleration up to 60mph, really it's no contest. If you ride both slowly, or in the same manner up to the limit of the lesser,the "bum dyno" will tell you they will feel the same.
Ride them both flat out, and you will feel a difference. As you say, The ST is a 4 cylinder, but with a little less than twice the CC (1085, as opposed to 638), it has almost twice the power (75Kw[100hp], as opposed to 41,25Kw [55hp]), and a dry weight of only 50lbs or so more (657lbs dry, as opposed to 613lbs, assuming ABS on both), it is a lot faster than the Burgman, both on paper, and in reality.

True, a standard ST with just the side bags has less storage than 650 with an added box, but compared to a standard 650, the two 34l panniers of the ST beat the 55l underseat storage of the 650. If you're going to fit a box to one, the same box can go on the other (I removed the Honda box, which was on my ST when I bought it, from mine [pretty, but very little storage] and replaced it with a 55l Givi box. Not as pretty, but held two full-face helmets).

I recognize there is a heat on the legs issue with the ST (didn't bother me too much, as it wasn't too warm where I was riding at the time), and I've never had an issue in the few months I've had my 650.

In all honesty, I don't think it's a fair comparison to be made, but if it is going to be made, can it at least be done without any bias?

At the end of the day though, both are excellent machines.

Apologies for any thread hi-jacking..........and now back to your regularly scheduled broadcast.
 

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Another Burgman riders 2 cents worth, I have owned both the 400 and now the 650 burgmans, loved them both, I always felt like the 400 was more to the sport bike group and the 650 more like the cruiser type, both have plenty of storage, and both handle very well at highway speeds, the 400 is a little bit more nibble on the turns, but I went with the 650 because I wanted the bigger moter and the moving windsheld was a big Plus, I have added Kiwi Dave saddle bags and holders and now have more then enough room to hall stuff, as for the problems from your local dealers, I have had the same problem so I did a search on the internet a for dealers withend a 150 mile radis of me and for the previous year model at that time for thousands less. I got mine in Feb. of 2012 a 2011 model for under 7600 dollars, brand new and got the suzuki 0% interest for 5 years, I would suggest look for last years model and you may fine the same deal, now as for the Honda silverwing, a great bike but no great deals on the price, So if you still are looking for a used bike I would go much past the year of 2008, from what I have read hear on this form about early bike and the bugs suzuki finally got out from early models. Good luck with and look on the web site of Cycle trader.com I looked my self and found 2012 model for 400 at under $6500.00 and the 650 under $ 8300.00 I willing to bet that if you wait another few months they may go a little cheeper, but Good luck anyways and ride safe :thumbup: any thing else I may be able to help with just ask away . Zack
 

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i have a 2011 650 exc, has 300 miles on it.... since 1999 have had 1999 and a 2000 model 1000cc concoures kaw. 99 honda valkyrie tourer, 2000 cbr 1100xx , 2001 honda st1100, 2002 vstrom 1000 , 03, 04,and a 06 st1300 honda's, 05 gl 1800 honda , 06 yamaha royal star deluxe, this one did not like at all.. 2007 burgman 650 std. 2009 concoures 14 abs,loved it light years ahead of the st-1300's ... back to a 2009 09 burgman exc. sold the 09 exc. to get a new 2011 because i prefere the origional style burgman over the 2013 style , i've had several motorcycles since 1966,,the 650 burgman is probly the best all around motorcycle that i have ever owned, yes i said motorcycle,, if i wanted a scooter i would look at bmw's and yamaha's and the other stuff...
 

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If you can swing it, keep the TMAX for sport and pick up a Burgman 650 for long-distance cruising/touring. You're likely to discover that the 650 will get your ya-ya's out in the canyons and twisties as well.

My local Suzuki dealer, who I was very satisfied with, shut down two years ago and a couple of their wrenchers now work at the local Honda shop 2 miles from my house, so I do my regular maintenance there. For work where I think an 'authorized' Suzuki dealer is a better idea (warrantee, complex), I have that option pretty close by, and I'm satisfied with them as well. But there are bad dealers out there - don't know if Suzuki has more of them than other manufacturers.

If the SW and 650 were women, I'd describe them thusly: the SW is dependable, loyal and has good child-bearing hips; the Burgman is kinda hot, knows how to use the curves, and I'm always smiling when I get off of her.
 
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