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Helix was made from 1986 through 2007. They are liquid cooled CVT 250 machines with right rear foot brakes and very comfy seats. By current standards, they look a bit quirky but are super reliable.

Having owned three Helixes (2004, 2001 & 2000) but never experiencing the pleasure of riding a Burgman 400, I am curious as to get comparison notes from anyone here who has ridden both fine machines. If so, will you please tell me how you would compare these.

Honestly I am considering buying back my black 2001 Helix 250 pictured here which now has new tires and only 10K miles and all maint records. I can buy it back from a neighbor for $1300.

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If the Helix will suit your needs, and you know the machine to be in good repair, I would say buy it back.
A proviso there is - Can spare parts still be obtained reasonably in USA?
Suzuki is fuel injected, Honda has carburetor. No problem if the bike is used frequently, but can be if it isn't.(Fuel stagnation in flout bowl).
You can get ethanol free fuel, still, over there? If so, carb would be much less of a problem.
The B400 is undoubtedly quicker (acceleration); and do you need 75 to 80 mph as opposed to what your old Helix will do? (70 to 75?)
The B400 has more modern, compliant suspension.
That Helix engine was also used in the Piaggio 250 Hexagon - quite a compliment to Honda, given Piaggio's dominance in the scooter market at the time.

It's irrelevant to you what used scoots cost in UK, but $1300 will now only buy us a "for spares and repairs" bike. - Wish it were my choice at that price.
 

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The Helix is a good scooter for around town/local trips, a perfect 2nd bike for quick errands, etc,.
It will go far, but not to fast, simple and reliable, easy to work on, no computers, etc. Parts are very available and very cheap Honda Helix 250 : Scooterpartsco.com. Plenty non ehanol gas availble in Florida and/or fuel treatment in your gas will help with carb issues, keeping fuel tank full and carburetor drained while stored is best thing.

Not very highway capable like the Burgman 400 IMO, especially with crazy speeds nowdays, with avg. speeds of 75 mph + on most major highways/interstates :eek:

IAC for $1300 it's a good deal.
 

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Basically the Burgman is larger, taller, heavier, faster, and handles the twisties better due to the larger tires. I had the Helix first and just assumed the 400 would be just about like it only with more power, but it has a whole different feel and sound, and much different ergos. Just for tooling around town you can't go wrong with a Helix at that price. I would suggest trying to get a test ride on a Burgman so you can see the differences for yourself.
 
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Only you can decide if the riding the Helix fills your needs.

With me not commuting anymore I do not NEED my Burgman 650. I do not plan as many road trips ether now days but if we ever get back to ME feeling comfortable being in groups....

But where I live the posted speed limit is 40 MPG and everyone does 55MPH. A Helix would work for half my needs. But I sometimes need to get out on the Superslab for 120 miles round trip and the average speeds are 75-85 MPH with the cars buffeting you all the time. This is where the Burgman 650 shines.
 
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If the Helix will suit your needs, and you know the machine to be in good repair, I would say buy it back.
A proviso there is - Can spare parts still be obtained reasonably in USA?
Suzuki is fuel injected, Honda has carburetor. No problem if the bike is used frequently, but can be if it isn't.(Fuel stagnation in flout bowl).
You can get ethanol free fuel, still, over there? If so, carb would be much less of a problem.
The B400 is undoubtedly quicker (acceleration); and do you need 75 to 80 mph as opposed to what your old Helix will do? (70 to 75?)
The B400 has more modern, compliant suspension.
That Helix engine was also used in the Piaggio 250 Hexagon - quite a compliment to Honda, given Piaggio's dominance in the scooter market at the time.

It's irrelevant to you what used scoots cost in UK, but $1300 will now only buy us a "for spares and repairs" bike. - Wish it were my choice at that price.
Thanks for this. Yes, Helix parts are still plentyfull. Bike would be used regularly and has been run on 87 octane 10% eth gas its entire life. And yes, it will cruise all day long at 60 mph. Oil has been changed every 1000 miles. Chokes are "automatic" and can be a prob in colder weather but never with this 2001. Yeah, it seems a real bargain and I just might sell my Kawasaki LT Classic 900 and go back to the convenience and pleasure of again riding this fine Helix scooter. Btw I am 80 and ride almost every day, year round.
 

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Seems like you already know what your answer is, Jep. The Helix is a fine bike and will no doubt serve you fine for your needs and that price for a good condition bike is hard to beat. The Burgman is a lot more bike BUT it's also kind of a bear to push around in the garage. FWIW I also have a '94 Goldwing and I can tell you the B400 rides like a 3/4 size Goldwing. It's a similar riding experience although of course the 400 is about 1/4 the engine and 1/2 the weight. But even so, I find the bikes to be similar to ride once you're rolling. The 400 is of course much more nimble.

I lived in San Francisco in the late 80s and was riding my VFR sport bike down the 101 freeway heading to the Moto GP races at Laguna Seca. I was feeling really good...sexy bike, riding at (ahem) a good pace, heading down to see the amazing GP racers; I was feeling tip top. Joe Cool. Out of nowhere a guy on a Helix blows past me like I was doing speed limit minus 10. I laughed at my ridiculous self and moved over to the right lane having been properly emasculated.
 

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I met a guy this summer on a Helix, he said it's best thing since sliced bread, I would have one just to have it 😎
 
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Seems like you already know what your answer is, Jep. The Helix is a fine bike and will no doubt serve you fine for your needs and that price for a good condition bike is hard to beat. The Burgman is a lot more bike BUT it's also kind of a bear to push around in the garage. FWIW I also have a '94 Goldwing and I can tell you the B400 rides like a 3/4 size Goldwing. It's a similar riding experience although of course the 400 is about 1/4 the engine and 1/2 the weight. But even so, I find the bikes to be similar to ride once you're rolling. The 400 is of course much more nimble.

I lived in San Francisco in the late 80s and was riding my VFR sport bike down the 101 freeway heading to the Moto GP races at Laguna Seca. I was feeling really good...sexy bike, riding at (ahem) a good pace, heading down to see the amazing GP racers; I was feeling tip top. Joe Cool. Out of nowhere a guy on a Helix blows past me like I was doing speed limit minus 10. I laughed at my ridiculous self and moved over to the right lane having been properly emasculated.
Love your note about getting passed by a Helix. And yes, I think I do know what my answer is already. Thanks for your interesting comparison to riding a Goldwing too. Having owned 3, I can relate. I ride 20 to 40 mile trips out in the country at 50 to 60 mph, so the Helix prob will be my choice. Thanks
 

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Did you ever sell a bike and then wish you had it back again? I find myself in this place, With 31 bikes (including this beloved 650 Yamaha) in my past, I still think that 2001 Honda Helix is the most comfy, FUN, cheap and easy to ride, so I might just buy this one back. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I'll keep you posted.
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wish Honda would still be making it. My 650 is a year or 2 from going on Social Security
LOL. My Yamaha 650 went to a Yamaha forum member who came 700 miles south to buy it for his wife's birthday. My 1978 Honda 400 Hawk is def on Social Security......lol
 

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I had a Honda 250 Elite Scooter (1986) for many years before acquiring a 2007 Burgman 400. The Honda was a fine machine and very dependable. The Suzuki has the same characteristics but more power, comfort and storage. It's less nimble in close quarters and at very low speeds. My impression when making the switch was that the Honda was at least as fast as th Suzuki from about 0-15 MPH. Overall, no regrets on my upgrade to the Burgman which has remained my main ride despite owning newer, more powerful bikes from Honda and Aprillia.
 
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