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The names Chris ( not that you haven't guessed ) :oops:

Have put an order in for a Burgman ( 400 ) with my local dealer on
saturday ,
this has a few firsts for me :-

Never had a Scooter before,
Never had a blue bike before,
And never owned a Suzuki Before,

This should be intresting as as I've not been able to
test ride one and have ordered it after reviewing this site
and the passion you all have for it .

The only bit that concernes me is the cross wind issue !!!
Is it as bad as it is some time made out ????

Ex bikes include

yamaha SR125
Kawasaki Z400
Honda CX500 Euro Sport x2
Yamaha XJ600 Diverson ( seca 2 in USA ) x2

A bit about Myself , Married to Sharon , 2 daft Daughters 7 & 11
Nicole & Cassandra

Am looking forward to reading more on this site and hopefully as i
learn more about my Burgman , i will be able to contribute some
info .

Keep Riding & Smiling :)

Chris
 

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Chris,

Welcome to the BurgmanUSA forum, and congratulations on your new 400! I hadn't owned a Suzuki since 1982 but I bought two of them last year, and one of them is a blue scooter. They are very good machines. I can't speak for the 400, but the 650 is the most stable machine in crosswinds that I have ever owned. Please let us know your impressions of the new 400 when it arrives. I'm sure you will be pleased overall.
 

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My 400 is noticeably lighter than the 650 while riding in crosswinds
but the 400 is still very controllable.
It's not so much the crosswinds but gusts while passing a truck (lorry)
that demands rider compensation inputs. But those are very strong winds
that have us 400 riders leaning into.

Through the kinds of winds that make tree leaves flip back
onto their undersides, The 400 is more controllable
in crosswind gusts than any other lightweight motorcycle I have ridden in my 25 years of riding.
Strong wind gusts make a 650 nudge ever so slightly without much rider
intervention but the same wind makes a 400 roll with the punches.
It's the price we 400 owners pay for a lighter and less expensive Burgman.

The 650 comes with radial tires that awesomely grip the road at acute
banking angles even while rolling over painted lines on the road.
In comparison, the 400's ply tires make the bike slip throughout a
sharply banked curving manouevre while quickly rolling over painted lines,
mud or gravel.

With either the 400 or 650, set tire pressures before carving through
hills. I had never under-inflated my 650 or 400 before testing tire
traction limits while banked way over on curves.
The 650's radials instilled immense confidence while I had cut through
canyon switchbacks because I had never found a speed or surface that they let
go of.
The 650's automatic braking was so scary and unpredictable to inflict into a curve, I kept
the speed down most of the time and didn't try to tranny brake while banked over sharply.
This meant predetermining a speed then sticking to it throughout
a curve.
This takes much practice but maybe other riders have pushed the
envelope safely.
The 400 however gives a rider classic feedback with predictable traction limits that are
always slower than the 650.
As soon as radial tires become available for the 400 and as its stock plys near
their life limits, I'm going to change them over.

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Ex-Bikes include:

'79 Hawk CB400A HondaMatic. 1 Blue('79) then 1 Orange('81). Type II Comstar Wheels.
'81 CM450A HondaMatic.
'82 GS450GAD SuzukiMatic.
'91 VX800 Suzuki. Burgundy Red.
'92 GSX1100GN Suzuki. Black.
'96 Honda CB750LT Nighthawk. Black.
'00 CMX250 Honda 250 Rebel. Silver.
'00 EN500 Kawasaki Vulcan. Burgundy and Silver.
'01 W650 kawasaki. Pea Green and Vanilla.
'03 AN650 Burgman Suzuki. Silver.

Presently:
'03 AN400 Burgman Suzuki. Silver.

I owned a new '96 Honda Valkyrie for 10 days back in 2000 and had so many
drivers pulling up alongside to race and look, I got rid of it.
If I twisted the throttle towards me - I win.
If I let go of the throttle - they win.
What's so hard about that?
Yawn.
 

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Sidewind susceptibility

Hi, Chris and welcome from another UK newbie. You shouldn't have any particular problem with side-wind susceptibility on a Burgman (400 or 650 for that matter) during 99% of any riding you might do. About the only time that this might present itself as a matter for serious consideration is if you plan to ride over the Severn Bridge in gale-force conditions - and such a situation would give any sane person pause for thought no-matter what type of vehicle they intended using!

My worst personal experience of doing battle against sidewinds was on a journey, many years ago, up the M6 in westerly gales on a Honda Pan European - it was so terrifying that I'd have packed in motorcycling there and then, given the option! What I didn't understand at the time, but which I have since learned and practice whenever necessary, is the role of counter-steering in such condditions.

Quite simply, in side-winds, just slightly steer the handlebars away from the wind direction, which causes the bike to lean its weight on to the wind, rather than, as I was doing all those years ago, physically fighting the wind with body-weight, trying to hang off the bike into the wind to keep the machine upright and in a straight line - crazy, extremely tiring and ultimately not very effective as each time you overtake a sheltering high-sided vehicle or pass a building or whatever, the renewed blast of wind invariably catches you unawares and you thrn have to fight like mad to get back on course. Science beats brute strength any day.
 

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Hi Chris :wave: and welcome to the forum. Congrats on your new 400 and keep us updated on your impressions. I don't think the forums replies will steer you wrong and I'm glad it was helpful in making your decision.
 

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Hi Chris welcome from another newbie from Southampton England.Joined acouple of weeks ago,i never ridden the 400 before but a work colleage owns one and really rates the bike,i own a burgy 650 and i had never ridden this sort of scooter before,and i have been riding for decades on numorous bikes.Ive sat on my friends 400 at work to compare sizes the 650 is larger alround so the 400 should be a doddle to ride.If you get achance try out the 650 because it is the same power to weight ratio as the Honda Duaville 650 ie 55 bhp,same as the burgy 650 and believe me its a different experience altogether.Any way hope you get the 400 alright :newb:
 

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A quick update picking up my 400 monday 14th :wav:

Ill keep you all informed

Chris.s
 

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T'marrah! T'marrah! I'll ride ya, t'marrah. Yer only a daaaaaay uuuuuuuuuuh waaaaaaaaaaaay!

Congrats Chris! (Is it .s or .c?)
 

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digitus errous

Chris.( c )
 

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Today was the day picked up my Bike :happy3:

How do you say it " It's got a precence "
It's big Comfy & what a paint Metalic Royal Blue .
It's now got a maasive 16 Miles on the clock.
I found it vibrates a bit at low rev's but when on the go
it's as ok .
The steering got me at first very positive .
Not over keen on front brake should get better
when bedded in .
The wind was 20MPH cross wind & didn't feel a thing Brill
Now going to sit & read all the bumph that comes with it .

Will Up date when I reach the big 100 9 MILES THAT IS )

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Chris,

Congratulations on getting your new scooter!

Sometimes those brake disks are coated with a preservative at the factory. A good dealer setup person should make sure that it is all cleaned off, but they've been known to slip up. If its not that, then you are probably right that they need to break in a bit.
 

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I found that my brakes needed some bedding in, too. After the first 100 miles or so they were fine.

The engine will also surprise you once you get the initial 200~300 miles on it and it loosens up. Nice! :wink:
 

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Chris, you're going to feel funny engine vibrations for hundreds of miles
until it starts to brake-in. Mine had attitude until about 1500 miles.
 

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Thanks all

Not 100 Miles yet only 61 .
i've noticed a sort of pulsing @ 30MPH
eng rev around 3000
I think it might be the trans settling down
will let you Know
It's very hard to keep below 4000 trying my best at least for the first
100 as it will give the engine time to clear all the build
muck out of the system.
On reading the bumf i can fit non orig suzuki filter etc to the bike
as long as it was orig made for it ..
But won't bother for first serv @ 600 as dealer will serv for free
not inc consumables .

chat later

Chris.c
 

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The continuing story

130 Miles on the Clock

Bikes settling down nicely , i'm letting the engine
rev a bit more now up 5000 .
Noticed a large difference in speed @ this rev .
Can be anywhere between 45 - 57 Mph , as i found
out as mister policeman :twisted: will tell you as he stopped me today
for speeding in a 50 zone
Oviously he was having a good day as i went into
blah mode about constantly variable gearbox etc .
So he just spent 15 Mins looking @ the bike , gave
me a short lecture & sent me on my way.
Filled the bike with go juice only got 7.15 lts in :happy7:
Brake's are now settling down
I'm well happy I bought this bike .
Will give a up date post 600Mile serv - unless anything happens

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Made it 605 miles on the clock and not rev'd above 4000 o'nist
( 5500 ) put in for first service .
Nothing wrong except front brake was a bit soft and needed
a bleed.
service carried out and on the way home let its head go
to put it bluntly i was gob smacked .
It just settled down nicely @ 80MPH ( yes Mr policeman only
doing 70 )
Now that thats out the way I went up snowdon ( small hill in wales )
and gave it some jip .
Great fun who needs a full blown motorcycle !!!
Any way got home and put her to bed.
Next day went to check the work carried out on the service
What a let down - no lubrication work done, needed to put
in 400mls of oil , put the tire pressures right & put the faring on
properly .
Anyway all done now ( they had there chance and have blown it ,
back to home serviceing

I'll give a further up date post 1000 miles

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Hello!

Just saw this thread today, Chris. Glad you're enjoying your Burgman.

My family is from Wales...well, prior to 1763 they were. ;)
 

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Hi Chris.

Sorry just saw your post - as a relative newbie I forget to look in here.
Where abouts are you in Wales?
I bough my preloved AN400 private sale in Newport - had the joy of a 137 ride back home including Severn Bridge (thankfully not too windy) on an unfamiliar machine!!

My bike was seviced at the Suzy dealer in Newport as a condition of sale at the expense of the seller. I have since revisited every job in the book for that service and it is abundantly clear, that stand fast the engine oil - they blagged the rest. The cooling fan filter had never been off (ever) and powered impact wrenches could not shift so I had to drill it out!! This bike will not be maintained by a dealer in my ownership for obvious reasons - scam artists.

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Hi Norman

Right bummer about the seervice , I will be much happier when
I can get hold of a service manual .
I'm currently living on the IofA ( Isle of Anglesey ) just over
the Menai Bridge . To our Burger buddies in the US of A
it's about a Farm sized isle about half way up the UK on
the West coast .
I will be down near camber sands by Dover in july
Any ideas where i can get a manual in the UK thats not
a dealer rip off .


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Hi Chris

IofA - nice!

Manuals no ideas m8 - I bought mine in a private sale - try ebay they do pop up from time to time (although I have checked and there is zilch at :) the moment).

If you have to pay full price for a manual- it is still a worthwhile investment - knowledge is power etc and it represents less than an hours labour at dealer rates!!

You need the manual not least to acquire the art of tupperware oragami. :wink: :wink:

Regards

NormanB
 
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