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Was sifting through e-bays listings of parts for the 650 and came across this saddle bag mount offer by an Austrian company which looks a lot like the original Muller bag mounts from Germany.

Thought I would share it with the rest of the gang here just in case anybody is interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Suzuki-Burgman-650-side-case-holder-set-for-GIVI-cases-stainless-steal-/290829066967?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model:Burgman|Submodel:650&hash=item43b6c362d7&vxp=mtr

the forum doesn't seem to like e-bay addresses, so you will have to cut and paste the address above.

Very good value for $129.95 + $24.00 S&H.

One thing I like about this setup is the height adjustment for the mushroom mounts which should offers a nice
range of adjustability for non Givi bags like the Bestem 929.





 

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I've seen them over there on eBay. Thought they looked of thinner gauge metal than Dave's and less surrounding frame material which might make them flex/twist more. I wonder if anyone here has tried them.
 

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MJR said:
I've seen them over there on eBay. Thought they looked of thinner gauge metal than Dave's and less surrounding frame material which might make them flex/twist more. I wonder if anyone here has tried them.
Well, I haven't tested them yet. BUT I will be testing them as soon as they get shipped to me. Went on Ebay a couple of hours ago and ordered them. I will report back when I have them installed. Expect that I will also report on how they hold up with my huge Givi E-41's on them as well.
 

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MJR said:
I've seen them over there on eBay. Thought they looked of thinner gauge metal than Dave's and less surrounding frame material which might make them flex/twist more. I wonder if anyone here has tried them.
Dave uses 4 mm alum which is a bit of over kill, 2-3 mm steel is fine.

These look a lot like the originals German Muller racks which used the
same steel thickness.

They won't flex much,especially with the bag on.

I will send you a pic of the muller racks when I get home.
 

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My concern would be cracking at the bends/fixing points, through flexing leading to fatigue.
 

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Think they place to far from side of Burgie. Look better little closer closer to side.
 

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that design is sound, it is the original design that Muller out of Germany produced for the 650 and everybody else copied.

here are a few saved pics of the original Muller mounts:






more pics here if you are interested: Burgman 650 side case mounts

As for the thickness of the mounts, they look fine, and being stainless steel, they won't rust either.
KiwiDave has to use 4 mm aluminum because he needs the additional rigidity for that metal which is also very soft and
wears off quickly when it comes into contact with the metal grab mechanism of the top box.

As for the distance, it is where you want it, any closer and your will be hitting the side panels...
 

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The Muller mounts look to be of the thicker aluminum and multi piece design. The eBay ones as I said appear thinner and the latch opening appears larger than the Muller's or Dave's. While the adjustable lower pins might be nice if they carry any weight I would think not having them in a slot (single hole or multiple) would be better. I find the single piece design to be simpler and probably stronger. Stainless steels are corrosion resistant alloys and depending on the alloy have different properties. It is possible to have stainless steel and still end up with fine surface rust or corrosion depending on environment.

Thanks for the photos of the Muller's. I seethe angle of the plates (kicked out slightly at the front and not on a straight line along the bike) to the body is the same as Dave's mounts.
 

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Muller used steel to make his brackets, they were like 2-3 mm, about the same as the EOS which are made of stainless steel.

I am sure DougInky will provide us with lots of good feed back.

you can make your own using off the shelf bars like this one, very easy to do:
 

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Great find :thumbup: now all I need is some half price GIVI luggage .

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LeDude said:
you can make your own using off the shelf bars like this one, very easy to do:
Well I sorta did make my own but not so easy finding the lower locator knobs/bobbins.
 

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In the Ebay picture from the rear they look plenty thick to me :argue: :thumbup:

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Great find :thumbup: now all I need is some half price GIVI luggage . TheReaper!
I can highly recommend the Bestem 929s as as an alternative. I have used them on
differernt bikes with great success. Great value at $80.00 a bag.



If you want to spend a bit more money, Mutazu sells the DM-100 (2013 model) which is the big brother of the Bestem 2012 top-box. It comes in 4 different colors.

 

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I only see 1 problem with these EOS saddlebag mounts is they will only fit the years of 2004-2009. :(
The body work is the same on the 650 from '03-'12 where they mount, shouldn't be any issue.
 

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In the Ebay picture from the rear they look plenty thick to me :argue: :thumbup:

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It has been said many time that you only get what you pay for, however in this case you risk getting a lot more than you bargained for.

Stainless steel suffers from “Fatigue Fracture”. 2mm stainless, even if it is high quality, is flexible. 2mm stainless racks, mounted on the side of a motor cycle, then asked to support loaded side cases, I consider a recipe for disaster.

When constructing my racks a good deal of research was done to provide a bullet proof product. One of the main reasons for this was to avoid liability issues for myself and or the purchaser. Imagine the posibilities of a loaded case flying off when hawling down the high way.
 

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Kiwi Dave, You have posted many,many times protecting your product why yours is better. However aluminum also can suffer from "Fatigue Fracture" big time. Your price including shipping is a whopping $340.00 USD. Compared with the EOS Stainless Steel product including shipping is $154.45 USD.

I was thinking of buying your product for a long time, however always looking for >>>>>>>. something lower
price. PS. Maybe you could give a special offer to Burgmanusa incl shipping just an idea it has been a long time.
 

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As with any kind of metal it all depends on the alloy. There are some aluminum alloys that are very strong such as those used in almost every airplane out there.
 

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LeDude said:
TheReaper said:
Great find :thumbup: now all I need is some half price GIVI luggage . TheReaper!
I can highly recommend the Bestem 929s as as an alternative. I have used them on
differernt bikes with great success. Great value at $80.00 a bag.



If you want to spend a bit more money, Mutazu sells the DM-100 (2013 model) which is the big brother of the Bestem 2012 top-box. It comes in 4 different colors.


The Bestem boxes remind me of the JC Whitney box I had years ago , do you have the side units attached to GIVI type brackets ? In other words are Bestems Monokey compatible ?

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The Bestem boxes remind me of the JC Whitney box I had years ago , do you have the side units attached to GIVI type brackets ? In other words are Bestems Monokey compatible ? TheReaper!
The EOS or Muller brackets should work well for the Bestem 929s, as they have built-in adjustability for the mushorooms, would not recommend the KiwiDave's for them as you will have to modify them. The DM-100 or 2013 boxes use the same base plate as the 929.
 
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