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I'd get a couple of large MSR fuel bottles from a camping/outdorrsy store. They're made to hold white gas for camp stoves, are made for backpacking, and have well-sealing tops.
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Good question...those little red plastic type gasoline containers are too tall to properly fit in the trunk. I won't want to lay the container on it's side so there would be a potential slow but very dangerous leak of gasoline inside the trunk cavity. Unfortunately, the dimensions of these containers will only fit in this position. Also I would not trust the seal on these containers at least with them laying down. Maybe if you went to your local marine store (boating place) they may have something that can be used. Make sure you place the cap end up!! Leaks can be very, very dangerous!!!!!
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Frank, I would be inclined to use a marine type of gas container, They're flat when right side up), strapped on the back somewhere out in the breeze, not underneath me. :wink:
Won't look so hot, but practical.
If you must sit on top of gasoline, then use those safety type container/bottles.
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Don't forget extra drinking water too.
(Don't confuse the containers) :roll:
Won't look so hot, but practical.
If you must sit on top of gasoline, then use those safety type container/bottles.
Fuel bottles on REI.com
Don't forget extra drinking water too.
(Don't confuse the containers) :roll:
I carry one of the smaller bottles in a small pocket on the back of my saddlebags & it sits upright . (The 11 & 22 oz bottles will fit.) Just to be extra careful I carry it on the side away from the muffler.
They used to make 1 & 2 liter gas bottles to strap to motorcycles but I believe the Air Quality Control District prohibbited them or at least I can't find one anymore.
They used to make 1 & 2 liter gas bottles to strap to motorcycles but I believe the Air Quality Control District prohibbited them or at least I can't find one anymore.
Fuel Container
I tried to those heavy duty red plastic gas cans in the 1 gal size.
It was small enough to stand upright in the trunk and I was able to keep it
from falling over OK the only thing I did not like was every time I opened
the trunk there was this smell of gas! Although I could not see any leak
this container must be breathing when heated??
I like the sound of that camping fuel bottle, but 32oz. is only a quart I could carry two I guess? :wink:
Frank
I tried to those heavy duty red plastic gas cans in the 1 gal size.It was small enough to stand upright in the trunk and I was able to keep it
from falling over OK the only thing I did not like was every time I opened
the trunk there was this smell of gas! Although I could not see any leak
this container must be breathing when heated??
I like the sound of that camping fuel bottle, but 32oz. is only a quart I could carry two I guess? :wink:
Frank
I would not recommend carrying gasoline in any manner other than in the OEM fuel system of the vehicle, as gasoline is one of the most dangerous hydrocarbon blends in our daily environment. Even with the stock system, care should be exercised to prevent accidents during vehicle fueling, expecially from static electicity discharge and spillage.
Regardless of grade, gasoline is extremely volatile, explosive and enery dense (not to mention carcinogenic).
When sealed in a closed container, temperature variations produce large pressure differentials; vented containers leak volatile vapors and, very often, liquid fuel. Think of not only yourself, your bike and others on the road, but what it could mean to have a presurized gasoline bomb parked in your garage.
Purpose-built and professionally installed auxillary fuel tanks are a less risky alternative, but still significantly increase the hazard of fire (or worse) and are subject to a variety of installation vagaries and deterioration over time. As non-design elements, though, they alter the weight and balance factors of the vehicle. Those of you who are pilots can appreciate impact of factor on vehicle dynamics.
I know that many people have run the risk of carrying additional gasoline without incident, buy why take the risk in the first place? Careful planning, fuel efficient riding practices and common sense are the wise alternatives until Suzuki decides to increase the fuel capacity at the factory.
If extreme range is the major factor separating you from happiness, keep a Concours (7.5 gallon fuel capacity) as a backup bike for those special situations.
Regardless of grade, gasoline is extremely volatile, explosive and enery dense (not to mention carcinogenic).
When sealed in a closed container, temperature variations produce large pressure differentials; vented containers leak volatile vapors and, very often, liquid fuel. Think of not only yourself, your bike and others on the road, but what it could mean to have a presurized gasoline bomb parked in your garage.
Purpose-built and professionally installed auxillary fuel tanks are a less risky alternative, but still significantly increase the hazard of fire (or worse) and are subject to a variety of installation vagaries and deterioration over time. As non-design elements, though, they alter the weight and balance factors of the vehicle. Those of you who are pilots can appreciate impact of factor on vehicle dynamics.
I know that many people have run the risk of carrying additional gasoline without incident, buy why take the risk in the first place? Careful planning, fuel efficient riding practices and common sense are the wise alternatives until Suzuki decides to increase the fuel capacity at the factory.
If extreme range is the major factor separating you from happiness, keep a Concours (7.5 gallon fuel capacity) as a backup bike for those special situations.
My question is why would you want to carry extra fuel with you, I am not sure but do not believe that when highways were laid they did them over such a long distance that our bikes would run out of gas and if there is a road that is longer than 200 miles before I see a station then I sure would not start on that road.
There is always the possibility of accidently running out of gas. The 11 oz bottle I carry will give me almost four miles & then it gives me something to bring gas back in if that's not enough. You could at least carry an empty can so you would have something to put gas in.
I've carried a spare can for the last twenty-five years ever since I got a Honda CX-500 with a tiny two & 1/2 gal tank. I have however always carried the can externally so there was no chance of a build-up of gas vapors.
I've carried a spare can for the last twenty-five years ever since I got a Honda CX-500 with a tiny two & 1/2 gal tank. I have however always carried the can externally so there was no chance of a build-up of gas vapors.
You know sometimes you are just plain negligent
and are having a just a great time! Then you look down at your guage and
you get that sick feeling in your gut and realize you should have gased up
at the last town.
I have run out of fuel twice in the last fourty years and belive me you sure don't want to do that in the Calif. and Arizona deserts. I think I will carry two MSR fuel bottles only on those occasions.
Frank 8)
and are having a just a great time! Then you look down at your guage and
you get that sick feeling in your gut and realize you should have gased up
at the last town.
I have run out of fuel twice in the last fourty years and belive me you sure don't want to do that in the Calif. and Arizona deserts. I think I will carry two MSR fuel bottles only on those occasions.
Frank 8)
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Did I forget to menition there is a concentration level where gasoline fumes are explosive. There is a term called the LEL (low explosive limit) and if this level is detected then there is a high risk of explosiveness in the confined space such as the trunk of the 650 or 400 for that matter if there so happens to be a spark source.
Uhm this could occur if the gasoline slowly leaks in your 650's trunk then by some means your spark plug wire (one of two) become slightly dislodged....big bang!!! I don't think placing a gasoline container in the trunk is a wise thing. Just my two cents.
Uhm this could occur if the gasoline slowly leaks in your 650's trunk then by some means your spark plug wire (one of two) become slightly dislodged....big bang!!! I don't think placing a gasoline container in the trunk is a wise thing. Just my two cents.
If I can figure out a way to carry two bottles out side my scoot with out looking too dumb this would help. I never ride two up so there is a lot of space there to wotk with. I'm not going to have them there all the time so that should be workable. :shock:
Frank
Frank
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:lol: Maybe some inventive fuel tank guy could come with an add on tank to replace the rear fender or something. I think some of the Iron Butt bikes use this system. Probably a good market for a 1 1/2 gallon add on tank. At least it would be safer than carrying around cans of gas. Jerry
:lol: Maybe some inventive fuel tank guy could come with an add on tank to replace the rear fender or something. I think some of the Iron Butt bikes use this system. Probably a good market for a 1 1/2 gallon add on tank. At least it would be safer than carrying around cans of gas. Jerry
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I'm new here. I am thinking of buying a Burgman 400 in the furture.
I took the MSC a couple of times. And they went to great lengths on pointing the the fuel tanks on "motorcycles" have a reserve postion for the fuel tank lever that turns on the fuel pump (I think). Does the Burgman have such a thing, I a reserve of fuel, I believe they say the fuel tank is 3.4 gallons, but inf actuality is it larger like say 4 gallons. Just a thought.
LadyJulie :?
I'm new here. I am thinking of buying a Burgman 400 in the furture.
I took the MSC a couple of times. And they went to great lengths on pointing the the fuel tanks on "motorcycles" have a reserve postion for the fuel tank lever that turns on the fuel pump (I think). Does the Burgman have such a thing, I a reserve of fuel, I believe they say the fuel tank is 3.4 gallons, but inf actuality is it larger like say 4 gallons. Just a thought.
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Welcome to the BurgmanUSA forums LadyJulie . Glad to have you join us.
The Burgman is fuel injected and doesn't have a fuel valve like many of the bikes used in the MSF course. As such, it doesn't have a reserve. That's one reason that many are looking at carrying a fuel reserve externally. Rather than using the fuel guage, I use the trip meters to tell me when to refuel. I normally fill up between 160-180 miles. I can easily go 200 miles on the worse mileage I've seen to date on the 400.
The Burgman is fuel injected and doesn't have a fuel valve like many of the bikes used in the MSF course. As such, it doesn't have a reserve. That's one reason that many are looking at carrying a fuel reserve externally. Rather than using the fuel guage, I use the trip meters to tell me when to refuel. I normally fill up between 160-180 miles. I can easily go 200 miles on the worse mileage I've seen to date on the 400.
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I have some questions.
Isn't there already a bit of gas under people's arses? Does that tank have a relief valve? Haven't people complained of smelling gas after parking? Do we not fire up our bikes at a gas station where everyone is dispensing fuel causing fumes to build up?
I thought I heard someone say that there is a bit of an opening between the seat and the bike.
Those MSI bottles are designed to carry fuel (white gas) for use in camping/backpacking stoves. Now that stuff is more flammable than gas. They are desinged to be carried in your backpacks with all your other gear and can also be used to directly feed the cook-stoves (highly resistant to over-pressurization).
I personally know streches in SW USA that can even stretch the limits of the tanks in autos. Just because there is a town shown on your map, does not mean there is a gas station just off the highway. I can see the best laid plans going to hell because the gas station that you may have used before, just closed recently, and now the next station is 50 to 100 miles down the road.
I like the idea of using marine gas tanks or something like that.... or this:
http://www.generatorjoe.net/product.asp?0=214&1=215&3=62
http://www.jackssmallengines.com/smartfillinfo.htm
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Automotive Gas Can
Of course, I would test out any canister I purchased prior to placing it in the bike. I would also hate having to walk for many miles in the hopes of finding a gas station. Hey, I am also not afraid to use a cell phone around a gas pump but then I also take care to touch the car before I touch the fuel pump handle to limit sparking.
Tanks just need to be very sturdy and not allowed to vent automatically. Care would also be needed to not leave the can where it can be overheated. There are some people smart enough to handle gasoline, then there are those that smoke while fueling or dispense fuel around open flames. There are some that need certified hazard training to just walk down the street but yet they think they have a right to drive and fuel a vehicle.
Isn't there already a bit of gas under people's arses? Does that tank have a relief valve? Haven't people complained of smelling gas after parking? Do we not fire up our bikes at a gas station where everyone is dispensing fuel causing fumes to build up?
I thought I heard someone say that there is a bit of an opening between the seat and the bike.
Those MSI bottles are designed to carry fuel (white gas) for use in camping/backpacking stoves. Now that stuff is more flammable than gas. They are desinged to be carried in your backpacks with all your other gear and can also be used to directly feed the cook-stoves (highly resistant to over-pressurization).
I personally know streches in SW USA that can even stretch the limits of the tanks in autos. Just because there is a town shown on your map, does not mean there is a gas station just off the highway. I can see the best laid plans going to hell because the gas station that you may have used before, just closed recently, and now the next station is 50 to 100 miles down the road.
I like the idea of using marine gas tanks or something like that.... or this:
http://www.generatorjoe.net/product.asp?0=214&1=215&3=62
http://www.jackssmallengines.com/smartfillinfo.htm
or
Automotive Gas Can
Of course, I would test out any canister I purchased prior to placing it in the bike. I would also hate having to walk for many miles in the hopes of finding a gas station. Hey, I am also not afraid to use a cell phone around a gas pump but then I also take care to touch the car before I touch the fuel pump handle to limit sparking.
Tanks just need to be very sturdy and not allowed to vent automatically. Care would also be needed to not leave the can where it can be overheated. There are some people smart enough to handle gasoline, then there are those that smoke while fueling or dispense fuel around open flames. There are some that need certified hazard training to just walk down the street but yet they think they have a right to drive and fuel a vehicle.
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