This really came to light when I was riding Needles highway in the South Dakaota Black Hills this Summer. Tight (15 mph) curves, back to back hairpin curves - piece of cake on the AN650 in Power Mode. I remember thinking how much harder I would have been working if I had ridden my V-Strom.DonRich90 said:In the twisties, the transmission and the engine braking makes for very smooth transitions between slowing and accelerating without having to constantly be on the brakes or shifting. I really like watching my riding buddies braking and shifting and generally working their butts off in the curves while I'm able to relax a little and enjoy the ride. They keep telling me that shifting is part of the "fun" - I think they're just trying to convince themselves.
Very little, if any, wear should result from engine braking. It is a CVT transmission - not actually shifting gears like the car automatics. It is simply varying pulley diameters - not much stress involved with that.WLB :>) said:I remember a column of Click and Clack (the Car Talk guys) quite a while back that I've never forgotten. Someone asked them if they thought it was appropriate to downshift an auto trans car manually to use engine braking; not on hills, but just under normal conditions. They said they recommended against it, saying it was cheaper to put on brake pads than it was to put in a new transmission. I have to wonder how much extra wear this puts on the AN650's drivetrain...
I love it when it makes those sounds... Motorcycle big twins and singles are supposed to do that - my V-Strom is even more vocal on decelleration. Part of their character. I'm just not ready for a bike that sounds like a Buick. :wink:WLB :>) said:I've also noticed that the engine braking also seems to add to the little mini-backfires that occur occasionally when decelerating.
Learning to shift gears on a motorcycle is no more difficult than when you first learned to shift gears on a car. It takes some practice but you'd learn very quickly (just ask any of our novice riders who took the MSF Course). After a short while it becomes "2nd nature", just like with your cars, and it doesn't intrude on the operation of the bike. That said, I LOVE my automatic!WLB :>) said:Being a novice rider, as far as I'm concerned the auto tranny is an important safety factor... I don't have to worry about shifting gears and dropping the clutch so I can concentrate more on low speed maneuvering. I have no problems driving manuals... heck, I've had several cars, especially in my youth, that had sticks... but a car and a motorcycle are two different things.
It wouldn't be an easy task. The engine braking effect is there because the engine is coupled to the drive system until you are below a given speed -- around 8MPH for me.WLB :>) said:...if there were a way perhaps for the dealer to reprogram it either on or off based on customer preference... that would be great. Or heck... just put a switch on the dash!
Have you ever ridden the AN400? It doesn't have the engine braking, operating like every other "scooter" on the market. I have to respectfully disagree... I don't think it would be that difficult at all to eliminate the engine braking. It's all in how the computer is programmed.It wouldn't be an easy task. The engine braking effect is there because the engine is coupled to the drive system until you are below a given speed -- around 8MPH for me.
To eliminate the engine braking you'd have to install some sort of clutch system to release the coupling at higher speeds.
I haven't ridden the 400; but I used to own a CH125 and a CH250, and I test rode a Silverwing.WLB :>) said:Have you ever ridden the AN400? It doesn't have the engine braking, operating like every other "scooter" on the market.
I don't know that the "problem" is in the computer. I think the point at which the clutch on the 650 disengages is predicated on a mechanical lock-up, just like "every other 'scooter' on the market." I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.WLB :>) said:...I don't think it would be that difficult at all to eliminate the engine braking. It's all in how the computer is programmed.
I'm not suggesting the feature should be removed wholesale; I realize a lot of people appreciate the feature, and I also realize there are tangible benefits to having it, such as rolling down the hill, as you mentioned.No sir. I'll take my Burgmans just the way the are, please.
Well,Suzuki has now added electric mirror folders, an elecrical windshield adjuster, and "overdrive" to the 650s; maybe an electric clutch is technologically feasable and will be added at some point -- on Japanese and European models only, of course. :evil:WLB :>) said:All I'm saying is I wish it could be optionally selected rather than forced.