[DarisPakar]

Anyone local that can keep us updated ?

Residents near Ohio train derailment report dead fish and chickens as authorities say it's safe to return

Residents around East Palestine fear they, their animals and water sources were exposed to hazardous chemicals.

www.nbcnews.com

Release of toxic chemicals from train derailment in Ohio prompts broader safety concerns

In eastern Ohio, residents have been on edge for over a week following an explosive train derailment and a toxic chemical leak. Evacuation orders have been lifted and the all-clear has been given in East Palestine, a small community of about 5,000 on the Pennsylvania border, but that’s done...

www.pbs.org

 

[DarisPakar]

Tis the season

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/two-more-trains-derail-weeks-after-ohio-chemical-spill/article_fe0dff62-abe7-11ed-8ff9-97638326b48e.html

 

[mikeyMarine]

it's hard to keep them big trains balanced on them skinny rails

 

[DarisPakar]

Life imitating art ?

 

[DarisPakar]

Charges Dismissed Against Reporter Arrested While Covering East Palestine Press Event by Ohio Governor DeWine

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[DarisPakar]

“I learned today from the PUCO [Public Utilities Council of Ohio] that this train was not considered a high hazardous material train,” DeWine said. As a result, the railroad was not required to notify anyone in Ohio about what the train was carrying.

“Even though some rail cars did have hazardous material on board, and while most of them did not, that’s why it was not categorized as a high hazardous material train,” said DeWine. “Frankly, if this is true, and I’m told it’s true, this is absurd. And we need to look at this. And Congress needs to take a look at how these things are handled. We should know when we are trains carrying hazardous materials that are going through the state of Ohio.” The governor called on Congress to investigate the matter and make changes to the law if necessary.

DeWine noted that around 50 railroad cars were involved in the crash; ten of those were hauling hazardous materials. He said that both the U.S. and Ohio EPA were on the scene almost immediately to slow the flow of contaminated water while firefighters worked to put out the fire. Two days later, “concerns began to arise in regard to the temperature in one of the cars,” which was described to him as “volatile.” He immediately activated the National Guard.

 

[DarisPakar]

it's hard to keep them big trains balanced on them skinny rails

When the the wheel bearings are neglected …..

Excess size caused train to break down in days before it derailed in Ohio, employees say

The train experienced mechanical issues earlier on its route, according to employees familiar with the matter.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[inCaffeine]

When the the wheel bearings are neglected …..

"The railroads want to decrease costs, and as they are decreasing costs, risks are generally increasing," Feinberg said.
True, true.
less costs -> more profit ....

 

[Dave_J]

We get about 7 'Crude Oil' trains thru our town every week. Each train is over 200 tankers. You can smell the fumes as you are stopped at a crossing.

 

[Bluebottle]

Derailments are more frequent than most people seem to realise.
USA has averaged 4-5 derailments per day for several decades. Reducing regulation always seemed scary to me.

We have rail worker strikes ongoing here in U.K. at the moment against reducing staffing and safety

 

[DarisPakar]

Yes to the frequency of derailments, but the decision to do a burn off of these particular chemicals is what makes this accident a bit different.

 

[JRoss]

vinyl chloride is nasty

 

[DarisPakar]

vinyl chloride is nasty

Yes and when heated or burned it will set off chemical chain-reactions that will create different chemical nasties.

East Palestine Train Derailment: What is vinyl chloride and what happens when it burns?

Days after crews released and burned toxic chemicals transported by a wrecked train in Ohio, residents remain concerned about the toxic substances that could be lingering in their evacuated neighborhoods.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[DarisPakar]

Big money in Trains ….

Ownership Top Holders

See list of NS' largest shareholders.

www.nscorp.com

When your making Billions you can donate a million here and there…

Norfolk Southern reports Q4 and full-year 2022 results

/PRNewswire/ -- Norfolk Southern Corporation (NYSE: NSC) today announced fourth quarter and full-year 2022 financial results. The company marked fourth quarter...

www.prnewswire.com

 

[inCaffeine]

"...An average of 1,704 per year", Newsweek.
If this is true, then it is not just about the bearings.
In such cases, we have proverb here: "until the thunder thunders, the man will not cross himself".
....
I have finished participating in this topic.

 

[Bluebottle]

Yes to the frequency of derailments, but the decision to do a burn off of these particular chemicals is what makes this accident a bit different.

Its more complicated than that and was different before that decision, I’ll get back to that.

I gave the frequency to illustrate both misinformation (“2 more trains crashed this week” really isn’t surprising) and that with knowing so many crashes will happen, I disagree with the ”rules and regulations are bad, unregulated business is good” mindset. Easing/removing safety rules /personnel has consequences.

Regarding the difference, I understand the chemicals involved are hazardous as leaks and controlled burns, but more so as an explosion.

That isn’t the only issue, people in disaster management I know respect this article:
Opinion | Emergency managers made crucial errors after Ohio train derailment

For an easy to read grounding in disaster management and the cost of ignored safety warnings - I highly recommend “When The Dust Settles” by Prof. Lucy Easthope
She is a leading world expert and worked on most of the major disasters you have heard of across the globe, she is also a lovely woman (I’m biased because I’ve known her since she was a kid but when anything went bang anywhere in the world, she was the person that governments rang up for help and flew her in. She invented systems in use today).

She writes well, and there is even humour, but covers dark times like 9/11 and the Iraq war, natural disasters, epidemics and major crashes.

edit: Also a Times best seller and No 1 in Amazon disaster category.

 

[Bluestrom13]

I highly recommend “When The Dust Settles” by Prof. Lucy Easthope

I listened to this last year on BBC Sounds.


Lucy Easthope - “When The Dust Settles” (Kindle Edition)

 

[DarisPakar]

North East Ohio in February….. “If you can get home and get warm you’ll be ok.”

Somewhat similar to the grit and self determination of The Babushkas of Chernobyl “there are worse things than death’’.

Odd thing about the Babushkas …
It’s been said that they out lived those that resettled by 10 years.

 

[B Getz]

Its more complicated than that and was different before that decision, I’ll get back to that.

I gave the frequency to illustrate both misinformation (“2 more trains crashed this week” really isn’t surprising) and that with knowing so many crashes will happen, I disagree with the ”rules and regulations are bad, unregulated business is good” mindset. Easing/removing safety rules /personnel has consequences.

Regarding the difference, I understand the chemicals involved are hazardous as leaks and controlled burns, but more so as an explosion.

That isn’t the only issue, people in disaster management I know respect this article:
Opinion | Emergency managers made crucial errors after Ohio train derailment

For an easy to read grounding in disaster management and the cost of ignored safety warnings - I highly recommend “When The Dust Settles” by Prof. Lucy Easthope
She is a leading world expert and worked on most of the major disasters you have heard of across the globe, she is also a lovely woman (I’m biased because I’ve known her since she was a kid but when anything went bang anywhere in the world, she was the person that governments rang up for help and flew her in. She invented systems in use today).

She writes well, and there is even humour, but covers dark times like 9/11 and the Iraq war, natural disasters, epidemics and major crashes.

edit: Also a Times best seller and No 1 in Amazon disaster category.

WoW, that was a very good read! You can actually see how the breakdown occurre. NS is no where to be found as I write this. Arresting a member of the news media was a crying shame and condemned by the Ohio Govener himself.
simply aweful handling of crash and most importinly the public.
I can see this town becoming a “Ghost Town” in the next few years.
Not far behind is the area is the new Shell Cracker Plant in nearby Beaver County, Pa. who has been out of compliance more than in compliance! DEP has only released info after the fact. This plant is the size of a small city and makes plastic beads from natural gas. I’ve been past it and your can’t believe how big it is. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had its own zip code!

 

[DarisPakar]

FEMA advises Gov. DeWine Ohio is not eligible for assistance at this time

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine has been advised by theFederal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) that Ohio is not eligible for assistance at this time.DeWine share

abc6onyourside.com