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If you're looking for a performance boost for your Burgman 400, I believe this has the best "bang for the buck". My Burgman grin certainly got wider! :D

I purchased the Dr. Pulley Sliding (DPS) Roller Weights from Matt at ScooterTrap for $52. http://www.scootertrap.com/Burgman400K7.htm Service was excellent as usual. I ended up calling Matt after installing them wrong and he was very helpful in helping me sort things out. It is nice to have someone knowledgeable about the products they sell to talk to, not just a receptionist.

The weights are a totally different design than the OEM roller weights in your variator.
This image shows how they are not round and actually "slide" verses "roll" like the normal design that Suzuki and every other manufacturer offers.

Once I got past the trepidation of messing things up, I found that the whole process of pulling the variator, changing the CVT belt, and swapping out the DPS was relatively simple. The whole process will take a couple hours for your first time. I have it down now to about a 45 minute job.

I recommend if you're not familiar with the process of pulling the clutch covers off for changing the final drive oil, to use TechArtGuy's tutorial. http://burgmanusa.com/gallery/TechArtGuy/tutorials/an400k7finaldriveoil/ He does a very professional job at producing these for everyone's benefit. Once you get the clutch covers off (very simple), then the variator is exposed. I used an electric impact wrench and 15/16 inch (24mm) socket to pull the variator.

I was impressed with how simple, but effective, the variator design is. The variator has two halves. As you remove parts, you'll first remove the nut, a washer and the outer half of the variator. Next is the CVT belt. After that is the other half of the variator with the weights. It is that simple. No loose springs will go shooting across the garage to be lost forever.

Here's a picture of mine when removed and before removing the backing plate to change the roller weights.
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You can see four Phillips head screws that hold the ring on that keeps the innards in place. The dark colored backing plate you see in the center is the part that the roller weights move against (as well as the inner variator half) to change the "gearing" as rpms increase. Remove those four screws and you can then lift out the backing plate with the rollers exposed underneath.[attachment=2:2z9fij0u]IMG_4241 [640x480].JPG[/attachment:2z9fij0u]
(As you can see from the picture, there was some dust inside. Be careful when blowing the dust out that it doesn't get in your eyes, or you breathe it in. I can't imagine it could be good for you.)

Again, a very simple, but effective, design. The roller weights simply move outwards from where you see them in the picture because of centrifugal force. As they move out, they press against the backing plate and that forces the variator pulley half to move closer to the outer variator half squeezing the CVT belt outwards.

At this point, all you have to do is to put the Dr. Pulley Slider Weights in where the rollers are. This is where I messed up. I put them in wrong. The proper way to place them is shown in the pictures below.[attachment=1:2z9fij0u]IMG_4340 [640x480].JPG[/attachment:2z9fij0u][attachment=0:2z9fij0u]IMG_4341 [640x480].JPG[/attachment:2z9fij0u]

Installation is basically the reverse of the removal procedure.

A couple notes now on how to tweak your installation:
1. Keep everything as clean as you can get it. Brush off as much dirt from the outside of the clutch cover as you can. It'll help keep it out of the inside of the variator/clutch area. I used both a small brush and a can of compressed air to blow everything clean as much as possible. And then I used a rag to wipe away the dirt that didn't blow away. The last thing you want is dirt in any bearings, etc.
2. When I put my inner clutch cover bolts in, I clean them off and then put a dab of bearing grease on them. I've broken two bolts before I started doing this from corrosion inside the thread area.
3. Smooth the end of the backing plate where it will come in contact with the DPS as they move to the outermost position. You'll easily see the area that the OEM rollers have moved along on the surface. I used a small fine toothed hand file for this. Take off just enough to make sure the end is smooth, not enough to remove any significant metal. This should help the DPS from getting chewed up, and I believe allow the DPS to move farther out without resistance.
4. Spray the inside of the variator and backing plate with a dry lubricant. It is very easy to see where the rollers have traveled and concentrate on those areas. Don't forget to lubricate the white teflon guides on the backing plate and the place where they move. I put several coats on mine, using a hair dryer to speed up the process. While I was at it, I sprayed the DPS weights too. Be careful and do this in a well ventilated area. The fumes are toxic and flammable.
5. When you are ready to put the variator back together, hold the backing plate in so the weights do not fall loose inside. (I didn't at first, and got to take off the backing plate to put them back in place.)
6. Per Dennis49, "One more important step to take that is ignored by most is packing your variator with grease. Here goes, Greengrease is the best grease you can use for this. You can purchase it at Advanced Auto Parts and I think Auto Zone has it. This is a very important step because if your variator sleeve is dry it takes more force to move the movable pulley over the shaft. What you need to do is pack the area of your variator between the two inner and outer grease seals with grease, make sure this area is full of grease. I pack this area full and then use a tongue depressor to scrape the excess grease even with the lips of the seals. Do not pack the area where the weights are. You packing the hole in the center of the variator were the seals are that ride on the sleeve. Clean the area where the weights ride on the ramps and clean the weights, then spray this area with the dry lubricant and spray all the weights with the dry lube. This will increase the life of your variator weights and the CVT will operate smoother. This will help no matter which weights you use OEM, Malossi, or Dr. Pulley." http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28716&p=351321
7. When tightening up the nut holding on the outer variator pulley, use a socket wrench first and rotate the variator, belt and clutch several times through. You'll find the CVT belt will change position as the nut tightens. Do not use the imact wrench till this is done! You risk an expensive repair bill otherwise because the belt can get pinched and then disintegrate while riding down the road.

So what was it like?

Well, the first time, when I had the DPS in backwards and upside down (yes, it can be done!), the takeoff was smooth...but the engine was screaming as I went down the freeway. It was almost redlined just to merge on the freeway. Since I didn't hurt anything, I doubt you can either. :oops:

After taking it apart the next morning and using what Matt and Dennis49 had told me to install the DPS correctly, I left them in for several days before pulling them out. I had found the takeoff to be smooth and quick with lots of low end power, but the rpms were high over the entire speed range. Gas mileage was down markedly. When I was on the freeway, it was like I needed to upshift, and I was seriously considering selling them at this point. I couldn't live with them like that. I went back to the old rollers, which were in really good condition still. While I hadn't noticed the vibration on takeoff to be anything bad before, I could easily tell the difference of the DPS verses the OEM rollers. The DPS were smooth. The OEM rollers were livable.

I pulled the variator again and this time I filed off the backing plate and applied the dry lube as mentioned above. I didn't get a chance to test it, except in the garage on the centerstand that night.

The next morning, as I'm going down the residential streets leading to the freeway, it performed as before. Takeoff was very smooth. Power was readily on tap, as if I had a 500cc engine, not a 400. And the rpms were still about 500-700 higher than with the OEM rollers.

But when I hit the freeway, I believe I even said "WOW!". I know I had a big grin on my face. The difference by filing off the backing plate, and applying the dry lube was incredible. I still had the power of a 500cc engine (seat of the pants measurement only), but the rpms settled down ...even lower than the OEM rollers. It was working like I had hoped all along.

How much lower? After the first installation, at 70 mph (indicated), my rpms were at 6800. The OEM rollers were at 6200 rpms. With the last installation, the rpms dropped to 5800 at 70 mph. That's a thousand less than before!

Gas mileage also went back up in the realm of having the OEM rollers in. The only problem you'll have with getting good gas mileage with these DPS weights is that the temptation to twist the throttle a little more is something very hard to resist. I suppose I'll get used to it, but when you can snap your head back unexpectedly with a little twist of the throttle...well, it'll be fun getting used to this "larger" engine.

If you look at the design of the Dr. Pulley Sliding weight, you'll see that it has two surfaces (ramps) that the backing plate moves on. I believe that at lower speeds, the backing plate is on the steeper ramp. RPMs are up in a higher range where the available torque and hp are higher and the bike responds very quickly. As the bike's speed increases, the backing plate moves up to the top ramp where the angle is much shallower moving the rpms back into a usable range so you have more top speed. As an example, at 65 mph, my rpms are at 6200. But by increasing to 70 mph, the rpms actually drop to 5800. As I increase speed to 75 mph, the rpms are back at 6200 -- the same rpms as the bike needed to only do 65 mph moments before. I believe that is because the backing plate has moved onto that upper ramp as if you just changed gears.

The question that comes to mind is how does this compare with a JCosta variator replacement? Obviously, there is a huge cost difference. But how much difference is there in performance? It would be interesting to have some of the owners of 07+ Burgman 400s who have the JCosta variator installed to post their rpms at 65, 70 and 75 mph (indicated). After watching the rpms decrease as they did, which is a characteristic of the JCosta I believe, it would be interesting to see whether they get the same results. If so, and your variator is in good shape, you can get a lot of performance for only a few $$.

And again, a plug for Matt at ScooterTrap. His customer service is great and he has a very satisfied customer.

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Thanks! I missed that little, but important detail. I ordered the 18 gram weights.

From what I understand, the lower the weight, the higher the rpms and acceleration...but the lower the top end. As a general rule, I would go for the closest weight to the OEM roller weights, in this case, 18 grams.

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Sorry, I have not been looking at the rpms during full throttle acceleration. I can tell you they are not going over redline though. Usually when I accelerate to that speed, I'm merging on the freeway where I have a second on-ramp on my right and drivers trying to get off I-5 onto I-405 making last minute lane changes on my left. It hasn't been conducive to stopping to "0" mph, and then trying to accelerate. :lol:

I'll try to get a figure next week.

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What rpms are you getting during full throttle accelerations from a stop to 60 mph?
The rpms were somewhere around 7-7400 rpms. Sorry, I lost track a little. Traffic was in front of me and I was gaining on them rapidly. I was trying to count "one thousand one, one thousand two..." and found I'd hit 70 mph before I knew it.

I think I saw on a review that either the hp or torque peak was at 7500 rpms. In which case, the slider weights put the engine rpms right where they needed to be.

So why did you ask?

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first i know that because i only have 500 miles on my new 08 400 is hould not know this but i accidently noticed 6400 rpm @ 75 mph. :angel12: I too would like to see if there is anything that can get the rpms below 6000 @ 75 mph. :study:
 

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Chris, I am interested in the rpms during full throttle acceleration from a 0 mph to 60 mph to see what the increase in the rpms/power is from the stock set up and to compare the DP sliders rpms to results I got using a J Costa. I did not under stand the counting?

7-7400 rpms is the same rpms I was getting with the J Costa with two pins removed on my 07 B400 during a full throttle acceleration from a stop. That would make using the 18g (I think that is the weight of the stock rollers) sliders perform as well as the buying a whole variator. That would be a very interesting find.
 

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The "counting" was because I was sure someone would ask the usual question of "how quick did it go from 0-60?". So I was trying to kill two birds with one stone. Unfortunately, the traffic didn't allow for that...and I don't like to beat my bike. Perhaps that's why it has lasted as well as it has.

So you've come to the same conclusion it seems that I did. The performance gains from installing a JCosta Variator versus reusing the old variator (assuming it is in good condition) and changing to Dr. Pulley Sliding weights is about the same. Same performance, much different cost.

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Chris, thanks for the info and all the work you did on this review. I am very very surprised at the results of the DP sliders, especially since you installed the same weight sliders as the stock rollers. I am at a lost to explain it. I have installed 16g rollers in a three of my 400s in the past and have never achieved anything close to the rpms you are getting. After reading your review and comments, I will have to consider a set of Dr Pulley sliders after I get some more miles on mine. Prior to this, I had only heard one other experience with the Dr Pulley sliders that were on another brand of scooter and the owner was not very positive about them. But I guess I must reconsider them now.

I was going to try the 15g sliders. But since you are getting 7-7,400 rpms during low speed accelerations with the 18g (same weight as stock rollers?) I may try the 18g sliders.

Let us know if you notice any future changes in your bike’s performance.

A personal comment on another point in your review:

Some other posters have also mentioned using various lubes and spraying cleaners in the clutch/drive train area. I would suggest using some caution in doing that. There is a lot of clutch shoe and belt dust in the variator/clutch area. Any thing that would cause that dust to accumulate on moving parts may not be a good idea.
 

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...A personal comment on another point in your review:

Some other posters have also mentioned using various lubes and spraying cleaners in the clutch/drive train area. I would suggest using some caution in doing that. There is a lot of clutch shoe and belt dust in the variator/clutch area. Any thing that would cause that dust to accumulate on moving parts may not be a good idea.
First, thank you for the kind words. If I can help one person, the time is worth it.

You have a point well taken with the caution above. I had a lot of dust that had accumulated under the backing plate that didn't come out till I removed the backing plate and sprayed the roller area with compressed air. Luckily, I closed my eyes quickly and didn't breathe the dust in. If someone sprayed something like silicone lubricant in there, I believe you could have the problem you're describing. I bought a can of lubricant that describes itself as being "dry". It goes on wet, but dries quickly, so I don't expect the dust to become a glob inside as it might with some other lubricants.

I think it would be beneficial to use the dry lubricant on the OEM rollers well before needing to replace them. I think it would help get rid of some vibration when accelerating. Again, you have to be careful where you spray it, and use something that will become dry quickly so as not to gum up the works.

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Nice article Chris. You are getting some great rpm’s at highway speeds. The J Costa is 6200 – 6400 at 70 mph I have seen as low as 5800 at 70 mph it must have been a tail wind. The performance differences between the J Costa and Dr Pulley are close, with the J Costa a clear winner. I have tried DPsliders in all weights 15, 16, 16.5, 18, and 21grm’s and J Costa on my 03 400. I have found no differences with any DPsliders weights on the top end. The reason for this is once the variator closes to its most inward position it is not going to move any further making all the top end rpm’s equal, the only time you will see a difference in top end is if the weights are to light and do not allow the variator to fully close, with the DPsliders this is not a problem they all go to full travel on the ramps. The difference in the different weights is seen on the rpm’s at lower speeds before the variator is fully closed, after fully closed the rpm’s determine your top speed. The main difference with the J Costa over the DPsliders is in noise, smoothness and top end rpm's, it has a slightly taller ratio when fully closed than the OEM variator. The down sides with the J Costa are around town the rpm’s are around 1000 rpm’s higher than the OEM and DPsliders. But as I have posted before BANG for the BUCK the DPsliders win the comparison.

In an acceleration run with DPsliders and J Costa the J Costa will win every time it has a big advantage from zero up. During normal driving I prefer the DPsliders because the higher rpm’s at slow speeds on the J Costa can be annoying at times. But when riding with motorcycles in a group I always change to the J Costa because of the gains in performance over OEM and DPsliders.

The dry film lube will eliminate wear on the sliders, it is slick not sticky. I have posted on a few good dry film lubes and I would like to apologize for a mistake I made on one that I had not tried until after I posted it. I do not recommend Blaster garage door lube. The can I purchased and I’m sure they are all the same did not dry like conventional dry film lube. It probably would be OK because it does leave a protective film; it’s just not the same type dry film lube. Dry lube goes on kind of like paint it dry’s to a charcoal color.

You can purchase J Costa and Dr Pulley Sliders from Matt at Scooter Trap.
 

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Dennis, did you get the same 7-7,400 rpms when doing a full throttle acceralation from a stop with the 18g DP sliders?
Roy, keep in mind that Dennis has the earlier model 400. I'm not sure how much of the "data" can be used as a straight over comparison with yours. The two models have different engines, clutch, variator parts, etc. It would almost be like comparing a Majesty to a Burgman.

For instance, for Dennis' Burgman 400, the JCosta is a "clear winner". But in your own experience, the JCosta and DP slider weights perform the same. The only clear winner I see in that is the DP weights since if they perform the same, and cost much less.

But again, we have a different model of Burgman and Dennis' experience is showing something different and very valid for that model.

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But in your own experience, the JCosta and DP slider weights perform the same. The only clear winner I see in that is the DP weights since if they perform the same, and cost much less.

But again, we have a different model of Burgman and Dennis' experience is showing something different and very valid for that model.

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Chris, In my post, I was comparing my J Costa results with your DP experience. I have only had the J Costa experieince. I am trying to get some info so I can decide what to purchase for my current B400. A second opinion/experience with a comparison of stock to DP set up would be be helpful to me even if it is on an earlier models.

I did have another question for you, have you noticed any change in your +60/70 mph performance or a loss of power at higher speeds.
 

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...I did have another question for you, have you noticed any change in your +60/70 mph performance or a loss of power at higher speeds.
There's no loss of power. If anything, the usable power is greater. The more I ride with the weights working as they are now, the more amazed I am of the technology involved.

With a simple roller, the performance effect is linear or gradual. Increasing throttle will give a little more speed just like a car with a manual transmission will speed up as you give it more gas. But with the design of these Dr. Pulley Sliding weights, they act like a car with an automatic transmission. Give it some gas, and not only does the power come on fast, it is like your automatic transmission has slipped into a lower gear for the moment. Acceleration is faster and it has "shifted" into a good rpm range for improved performance. Let off on the gas, and the "automatic" shifts back into the higher gear. It must have something to do with the angles on the sliding weights and designing those for specific variator applications. I don't know how it happens, only that it works and works better than I ever would've imagined.

For instance, when riding in town, the rpms are high, much like it sounds like the JCosta is at the same speeds. At 40 mph, I'm doing 5000 rpms. But as the speed increases, the rpms do initially and then fall down. Now get this...at 50 mph on the freeway, I'm also doing 5000 rpms. It is like it has shifted into a higher gear without feeling any change. And initially, (without using full throttle), to get to 70 mph is about 6600-6800 rpms...but then it falls off quickly to 5800 rpms. Even today while going up a slight hill, it only went up to about 6200 rpms. It is like an automatic transmission that only shifts down when the need is there, and then goes into an economy mode when the need isn't there.

And it is sooooo smoooooth. I always thought it was the engine making some of the vibration when accelerating. There's none. If you wanted the macho effect of a big single cylinder engine under you, you've lost it with these weights. All there is, is smooth effortless acceleration.

I am still getting used to this new performance. I merged onto the freeway this morning and surprised myself at how quickly I was up to speed. I liked the performance of the "old" rollers, but this is like getting a larger engine dropped into the bike ...for $52.

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Dennis, did you get the same 7-7,400 rpms when doing a full throttle acceralation from a stop with the 18g DP sliders?
What Chris says is true; the final drive ratio on the early 400’s is different than the late 400’s, so my rpm range will not be the same on my 03 in comparison to an 06 and latter 400.

But an important point is the operation of the variator is identical from early to late models. The clutch was enlarged in size on the late models and it appears the driven pulleys may be slightly larger, which can affect the top speed rpm’s, also the changes in torque and horsepower however slightly will affect the rpm range as well. The constants are the variator and clutch designs and operation are identical; except of course the clutch being larger in diameter on late models some with three shoes and some with five shoes. Now that that has been said the performance increases seen with a J Costa will be the same across the board accept of course some variation in the early and late models rpm ranges. But with all of that being said the rpm ranges on early and late models does not appear to be that big of a difference. The J Costa’s rpm’s come on much faster; read my post where I try my best to describe the differences. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38361

Both systems J Costa and Dr. Pulley have their high and low points, but the all out performance goes to the J Costa by a mile, so if all out performance is what you are looking for the J Costa is the way to go, with its big plus of being smoother and quieter in operation. A minus will probably be a hit in gas mileage especially if most of your driving is around town. I have not come up with enough data to back this mileage statement and I have had one of my best mileage figures with the J Costa but I can say that it would be easier to achieve high mileage with the OEM setup. And this mostly would be due to temptation to open the throttle more with the J Costa. All out driving with the J Costa takes less throttle inputs to get moving but the drive ratio while driving slow causes higher rpms.
Now all I can tell you is with the Dr Pulley and J Costa on an early Burgman 400 no matter which gram DPsliders are used the J Costa revs must faster, it reaches red line much faster and stays at around 8200 rpms up to over 90 miles per hour I have had my 400 over 100 with the J Costa (corrected with a speedohealer) my DPsliders are not capable of this top speed they are only good for around a corrected 85 and never been able to reach 90 with DPsliders and I have tried 15, 16, 16.5, 18, and 21 gram sliders.

My 400 for around town uses DPsliders and for performance riding and long distances I use the J Costa. Early 400’s are much easier to change the variator out so the change over takes me less than 15 minutes that includes cleaning the CVT area of all dirt and dust.
 

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roy_ryall said:
Dennis, did you get the same 7-7,400 rpms when doing a full throttle acceralation from a stop with the 18g DP sliders?
The J Costa’s rpm’s come on much faster.....

Now all I can tell you is with the Dr Pulley and J Costa on an early Burgman 400 no matter which gram DPsliders are used the J Costa revs must faster, it reaches red line much faster and stays at around 8200 rpms up to over 90 miles per hour I have had my 400 over 100 with the J Costa (corrected with a speedohealer) my DPsliders are not capable of this top speed they are only good for around a corrected 85 and never been able to reach 90 with DPsliders and I have tried 15, 16, 16.5, 18, and 21 gram sliders.
Dennis, thanks for your comments. I think you have answered my question. I am looking forward to your follow up posting on the other topic
 

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what are the sizes of the weights? I know they are 18g, but what are the deminsions (scootertrap doesn't list it!)

I got some DP sliders for my 50cc from this guy in indiana (i think) that were dirt cheap compared to most other online retailers. And boy did they make a difference with that thing! so can only imagine what they can do for the burgman, just need to know the size of them.

Overall, since you got them in correctly, how has your MPG been?
 
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