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A mutated form of the virus it seems. Is there a certain age range that this new disease applies to? Like predominantly millennial or spring break college students congregating on the beaches bringing about the closure of those areas? Or the panicked mindless hoards from NY running away from the Big Apple "sharing" and spreading the virus everywhere they go?
 

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That the virus is real is probable, but even more that it's an artificial one, from a laboratory.
 
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Apparently, a lot of young folks in Canada are getting (and spreading) it due to their not taking the situation seriously and Pooh-poohing the social distancIng concept.
 

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That the virus is real is probable, but even more that it's an artificial one, from a laboratory.
The virus is real. You can tell by the sick people and various scientists with pictures of it 'n stuff.
Made in a lab. Pretty unlikely. Just poke around. There are more salacious sites trying to convince ya it was manufactured but more than one that actually analyzes that possibility.
For instance.
The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know. - Please note the name of the site. It is not liverumor.com. It cites it's data sources 'n stuff, using real studies. I do not see that on the more salacious sites. At best they seem to have one "Doctor" who says there was a study but can't seem to come up with it for <your excuse here> reasons. Yup I'm up late and listen to Coast to Coast too...
and for good measure.

There have been various plagues, pandemics and outbreaks throughout our history. This one even follows a common pattern and route (adjusted for modern transportation).
This is just the latest, & is a nasty one, particularly with an aging population.

All that said. If you're gonna make that kind of statement. Do it right. Cite some sources and real science.
If ya can do that well 'nuff to prove me wrong I'll cede the point. If ya can back it enough to bring it to a significant possibility I may argue it with ya.

Cheers.
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Sadly the "Covidiots" think this is a "CoronaVirus" - better to think "Plague" - to help start to get to grips with the Global impact...
On a lighter note I used my 400 today for shopping at a Tesco supermarket 18 miles away, however, the 300 odd people queuing with 2 meter spaces between them, all around the car park and out onto the service road made me do a quick "u-turn", head home and try our local farmer's shops where to SWMBO'S satisfaction I got all of her short list completed.
Once home I did my 6 month oil change (as is my normal practice on any engine) since the last service - so should the worse case scenario happen the Burgman can relax with fresh oil in the crankcase!
 

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All that said. If you're gonna make that kind of statement. Do it right.
Yeah? Really? And what about topics closed before things ever reaching facts.
 

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That the virus is real is probable, but even more that it's an artificial one, from a laboratory.
There is nothing - not one thing to indicate this virus was manufactured. zilch.
its genome has been published independently by several countries independently and you can take a look.

No virologist or geneticist has ever said it isn’t naturally occurring.

Conspiracy theorists also “not manufactured but definitely escaped from a lab”
which is also unsupported by evidence but is a self defeating argument.
If the lab got it from the wild - it was already in the wild before they released it.
 

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Ahh.....let’s not squabble amongst friends....save it for the bad guys.

Any one feeling trickled on ? I am.
 

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Also a lot of people cite that their is a virology lab in Wuhan and it studies coronavirus from bat species like this one and that can’t just be a coincidenc.

It isn’t a coincidence, it studies coronavirus because the bats in the area are a huge resevoir of hundreds of different types of coronavirus and have been since the lab was constructed.
The threat was there before the lab, they are ther ot study what is on their doorstep.

Do they mess with viruses? Yes
If anybody has any evidence at all that this was one of them I’d be interested to hear what it is.
 

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It would seem the tack of this thread has taken is based on a misunderstanding of what is being referred to as being manufactured.
I, in jest, commented in post 2 about possibly a NEW virus derived from Covid19 has infected many idiots called in the OP linked article "cov-idiots" and THIS is what I took Bolzen's reply in post 3 to be about...
I.E. the "cov-idiot" virus, NOT Covid19, is what was/is artificial.
The response in post 4 is also possibly related in the same way. IOW- to this deranged mentality earning some dim-whits the name of cov-idiot.
But after that it seems some here have ignored that implication and took all this rehashing to refer to Covid19 as being an invented bio-agent.
THAT IS NOT WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF POSTS 2 through 4 IS ABOUT!

Come on guys/gals (no discrimination here), READ with understanding the posts in order of presentation to get the context before jumping all over everyone and propagating misinformation.
Yes, this is how misinformation tends to take on a life of its own.


If I am off base on understanding it this way then Bolzen and ducati14 please enlighten me. I do believe there are lies and deception about the early stages of this actual virus, but lets be real. Until proof is provided to convince otherwise Covid19 is simply a virus that transferred, by what ever means, from one species to another and then spread quickly and widely to us who are not prepared to deal with it.

I also live in a fictional world where everything is a conspiracy out to get all of us. But then how long do you think anyone would survive in such a world?
Soylent Green anyone?
 
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Yeah? Really? And what about topics closed before things ever reaching facts.
OK, lets set some things straight. The Tavern is a place for topics not really motorcycle related.
It is a place to share some things of interest to some members. But it is not a place to post just rubish topics or "TROLL BAIT" .

If you must post conspiracy theorists posts (WTC and Chernobyl or A bombs off the coast of Japan) then please go over to Facebook with all the others Conspiracy Theorists.

I'd bet if you did a Poll you will not get the majority of active members to say they want conspiracy theorists posts on here.
 
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Well, didn't know that evidentiary research of world specialist, doctor of nuclear & technical science, author of many scientific works and inventions in the field, member of the Commission of Inquiry investigating the accident is rubbish. Of course folks know better. How only didn't i realize that before, really have no idea. Should probably read Playboy about that, will take into account next time.
 

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Well, didn't know that evidentiary research of world specialist, doctor of nuclear & technical science, author of many scientific works and inventions in the field, member of the Commission of Inquiry investigating the accident is rubbish. Of course folks know better. How only didn't i realize that before, really have no idea. Should probably read Playboy about that, will take into account next time.
What evidentiary research?
What World specialist?
What does nuclear have to with it? (and what is Dr of technical science - mistranslation?)
What commission of enquiry? ? ? ?
What accident?
what investigation?

We can’t understand what you are trying to tell us if you don’t tell us anything
 

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Bluebottle, I can’t stand by and let Bolzen take a beating and be the lone man out...it was I who started a thread entitled After 19 Years .....not to Troll Bait but to call attention to the last major catastrophe that left too many unanswered questions.

How many men must stand and be counted for a Theory to be seen as True ?

Sorry Bolzen, Dave_J and the entire board.
 

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I’m not bashing him and didn’t intend it to sound that way.

I dont see seeking out a truth or reality as a win for me or a win for you - accurate information isn’t a judgement.

However, false information Is dangerous (people are getting attacked and hurt over this and one guy already tried to bomb a hospital + it becomes validation for war or other aggression or retaliation).
it also allows those who genuinely fail in their duty to divert attention toward a scapegoat and escape responsibility.

If somebody has potential evidence that I haven’t seen I’m happy to take a look and maybe they will change my mind. I spend my time in a world where I must back up everything I say and it is standard to have it challenged and torn down in order to establish that it is or isn’t correct and accepted.

Facts aren’t personal and I don’t attach a personal judgement to them. I do value factual accuracy for its own sake and to reduce dangerous consequences.
 

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Cool Bluebottle, when a man chooses science as his path reason and honesty must be his Guiding Light.

If you read the Architects and Engineers for Truth I think you’ll find they speak your language.
 

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Bolzen, reopened that thread. But try to keep it based on facts.
 

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looks like people are quite satisfied with what's going on and official explanations given.
Rather, people are satisfied that no indication or evidence has been given to support the idea of a manufactured virus.

There is no official explanation yet. It looks likely that pangolin were involved because this coronavirus has S proteins that act on ACE2 receptors - which is unusual and would mark a recombinant point between bats and humans (it isn’t present in bat coranavirus).
 
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