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Hi, everybody. I presently drive a Burgman 400, 2004 and I am very overdue to change it.

I hesitate between buying a used Burgman 650 2012 or a brand new one 2015. I know the price tag $$$ won't be the same.

I test drove 2 weeks ago the 2015 and saw a very +++ big difference compare to my 400 and I realy liked it a lot :D. I didn't feel the road and the ride was very smooth. I never rode a 2012 and the years before and can't compare the two models. I read some comments saying : The 2015 seems to be easier to drive at slow speed, cheaper on gas, etc. But now, I am wondering if I should pay the big price for the latest technology of the 2015 and the nice instrument panel or go for the used 2012.
Also is the smaller space under the seat is a big issue on the 2015 compare to 2012.

Is there anyboby who has riden the two models 2012 and before, and the 2013 and after can help me to make my choice.
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From what I've read, the 2nd Gen 650 has mostly positive upgrades. Floating brake rotors instead of fixed, reduced engine braking, retuned ECU for better mileage (and thus range). The 5L smaller trunk is due to styling I think. The suspension seems the same. Is it worth the new bike premium? Hard to say. Not enough for me, but if I could snag a used 2nd Gen, I'd sell my trusty 2003. The Bug Burg has featured lots of little changes over the years--evolution more than clean sheet design. The 2013+ continues that trend.
 

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L4 or L3 leftover or slightly used is probably the best bet.
 

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The biggest bug I have with mine and others would be the same is Suzuki's over the top attempt to dump the bike into the highest ratio as quick as possible, your engine will be grumbling away and to get it to giddy up you need more throttle than really needed to get it to kick back a ratio or 3.

App 60kph 2,500rpm coasting -> 2,800/3,000rpm driving (hard to judge with CVT)

I tried SpeedoHealer to up the RPM it worked but the CPU didn't like it and started to miss and play up under 2,800rpmish, really bad in slow/medium corner speeds.

I guess if you're not bothered with that grumping at low speed and or your regular trip is 75kph + your golden.

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I have had the pleasure to own 2010 650 Exec and 2013 650 EU model (heated seats & grips). Without doubt I would buy the latest any time. The improvements are great and we'll worth the extra cost. When delivering the old one to it''s new owner, I really noted the difference. The 2013 is much easier to ride. When later did a big touring holiday towing the trailer. We were at max recommended load, and even though we passed a lot of mountainous country, it was hard to know of either load or trailer. The fuel consumed over 2500km averaged 23.1 km/litre.

Go for the 2015, the pleasure will remain longer, much longer than the hurt of the extra cost
 

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As others have replied the major revisions occurred from the 2013 (L3) model year onwards thus OP you might be able to locate a near new L3+ model or a discounted L3+ model at a dealer. I've three AN650; a K3 Executive which I traded for a L4 last year. A K7 Executive which I ride fairly frequently and the L4
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IMHO the majority of the revised changes are positive, however the smaller width of the under-seat storage can be a little bit of an issue e.g. I can no longer fit my 15" laptop in its bag in that space, something I could do with either the K3 or K7.

The front tupperware has a narrower profile meaning one is slightly more exposed to the elements. The screen is also reshaped which contributes to the weather exposure. The redesigned mirrors are more prone to being affected by rain obscuring the mirror surface compared with the previous model.

The previous model design still has a number of positives so I wouldn't discount a near new or discounted.

If you end up faced with a choice between either two models I'm sure you'd be happy either way...
 

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Doc's description is great. It covers the basics nicely.

For me..I had about the same questions, and here's what I came to.

I own an 07, basically the same as a 12. I test rode (long) a 13, essentially the same as the 15.
I couldn't get the wife to sign off on a new bike so ended up on the used 07, but overall liked the 13 better for my purposes (mostly commuting and day trips.)

With my 07 I normally run a rear rack and use the seat storage. I run a Bestem 929 Tbox for longer trips.
With the 13 I'd want a box on there for day trips, and would seriously consider the pannier setup for any longer trips.

All that said that's a very small percentage of what I do so overall the newer bike is better for my purposes, and the increased mileage/range is a consideration as well.
Of course, as my wife pointed out the cost difference between the 07 and 13 buys a LOT of gas.
 

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I moved from an '07 to a '14 six months ago. The biggest negative has been mentioned - in the 25-45 mph range it feels like it's in too high a gear. Also, I use the 650 for 2-up touring, and pack the trunk to the gills - and I miss those 5 litres. And I've installed a Givi top case to adjust. But - I like the styling, so it's a trade-off. I'm seeing about a 12% improvement in mpg, and handling-wise, it's more responsive than the '07. MPG by damned - I like the gearing better on the older models.

I really wanted the new design, but if money was a factor I wouldn't have hesitated in buying a 'like-new' 2012. And loving it just as much (almost).
 

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If Suzuki went with triple mode - use the power button as a toggle/scroll ...

Push once for "eco mode" (as is 2013->)
Push twice for "normal mode" (as is <-2012)
Push three times for "power mode" and cycles around.

You could still keep the manual mode but most people don't use it much anyway if they dumped it would make the switch look a bit friendlier and transfer the screen switch to that side, I use the screen switch often on my commute bit tricky accelerating and thumping the switch.

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I moved from an '07 to a '14 six months ago. The biggest negative has been mentioned - in the 25-45 mph range it feels like it's in too high a gear. Also, I use the 650 for 2-up touring, and pack the trunk to the gills - and I miss those 5 litres. And I've installed a Givi top case to adjust. But - I like the styling, so it's a trade-off. I'm seeing about a 12% improvement in mpg, and handling-wise, it's more responsive than the '07. MPG by damned - I like the gearing better on the older models.

I really wanted the new design, but if money was a factor I wouldn't have hesitated in buying a 'like-new' 2012. And loving it just as much (almost).
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Jeff, I agree with you on the gearing. I too have a '14 along with a '09 and I do prefer the gearing on the older model. Much more responsive up to 45 mph. But, overall the '14 is still an awesome ride. Aloha!
 
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.. MPG by damned - I like the gearing better on the older models...

... I agree with you on the gearing. I too have a '14 along with a '09 and I do prefer the gearing on the older model. Much more responsive up to 45 mph.... Aloha!
All that said since "gearing" is purely electronically controlled I'd think someone with the appropriate equipment, maybe a laptop with the necessary connection, and knowledge would be able change the ratios to pretty much whatever you'd like.

It's even possible that whatever is used on Suzuki cars would just plug into this unit and let you toy with it to your heart's content.

If there's a mechanic out there who's tuned some of the CVT based cars, any suggestions on where to start looking?
 

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The layman's way of fiddling with the CVT - using a SpeedoHealer - didn't work out, and the market for Burgman 650 transmission hacking is not large enough for anyone to crack the code.
You can only read through the diagnostic port.
 

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I'm on my 4th Cheeseburger 650. I was riding my 2005 when I decided to buy a new one. I went to my local powersports dealer with the full intention of buying a new 2014. There was nothing I really liked about it other than it being new. For some reason it felt much more cramped than my other B650's and that was enough for me to seek and buy a new 2012 B650 Executive. The price was lots more for the 14 too.

I'm sure all of the 'improvements' we've heard about are good ones but I wasn't comfortable and that tales precedence in the end.

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I never rode the older 650 but I rode the 2015 650 and 400 back to back several times in hills, turns, city and 70mph roads. The 650 had a sluggish "feel" to the tranny off line and on slow speed roll on throttle. If you have ever driven a turbo charged car from a few years ago where the initial throttle felt flat or bogging down when first applied, that is how the new 650 feels. The 400 always felt just right and I much preferred the 400 transmission at low speed to the 650. Beyond 35mph the big 650 is just fine. However I prefer the 400 for daily duties. Same sized scooter, all the power I need and I have a V-Strom 650A for the long haul.
 
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If Suzuki went with triple mode - use the power button as a toggle/scroll ...

Push once for "eco mode" (as is 2013->)
Push twice for "normal mode" (as is <-2012)
Push three times for "power mode" and cycles around.

You could still keep the manual mode but most people don't use it much anyway if they dumped it would make the switch look a bit friendlier and transfer the screen switch to that side, I use the screen switch often on my commute bit tricky accelerating and thumping the switch.

Greg
This would be perfect!
 

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If Suzuki went with triple mode - use the power button as a toggle/scroll ...

Push once for "eco mode" (as is 2013->)
Push twice for "normal mode" (as is <-2012)
Push three times for "power mode" and cycles around.

You could still keep the manual mode but most people don't use it much anyway if they dumped it would make the switch look a bit friendlier and transfer the screen switch to that side, I use the screen switch often on my commute bit tricky accelerating and thumping the switch.

Greg
I use the manual mode as a engine brake and this works well . I use the power mode as a engine brake as well .
 

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I've owned a 2003, and now own a 2013. BIG DIFFERENCE! It's better in every way, and was worth the extra expense. Plus, I find the seat much more comfortable. That's just my experience. :)
 

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The layman's way of fiddling with the CVT - using a SpeedoHealer - didn't work out, and the market for Burgman 650 transmission hacking is not large enough for anyone to crack the code.
You can only read through the diagnostic port.
I actually found a report by an engineering class that changed some ratios on it, mated it with a GSXR 600 motor and put it in a small race car.

of course what they did was a bit more involved, but it did have a great breakdown on how the CVT works and what's involved in it's function.
 
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