[Chérie]

Reading on a motorcycle forum in France, BMW/Kymco problem with motor crankshaft breaking and head gasket leak on BMW scoot, also problem with electric, some control button stick in position and not come back to position.

One person mention BMW/Kymco ask dealer not open engine, dealer to remove engine send unit back, install replacement engine dealer to receive.

 

[Scootereno]

Wow! That's an expensive ordeal for them.
I would have expected better out of that collaboration.

 

[Duster]

BUT...good to see that they are addressing the problem,
without he-hawing around the issue.

 

[Elliott Larron]

You telling me that show is a expensive ordeal, Having to send the engine back to the factory, But Lucky not to many was Sold yet?
it should not take them long to fix the Problems , Just shows you that BMW is not ready to be Making Scooters just Yet?

That's Crazy the entire engine.

elliott,

 

[Dave_J]

Use to be GM, Ford and Chrysler all hadthe first fer whole engines replaced under warranty to a factory or to a representative engineering shop. I have a buddy in Georgia that was a GM Rep and he has/had a few unique engines from the 60, 70 and 80's.

 

[Ken]

They are probably wanting the engine back so they can determine the cause of failure. They probably don't trust their dealers diagnostic cause of failure. At least they are going about solving the issue. Bike is not ready for prime time but what can one expect from a Chinese built engine.

 

[Ralph M]

If it's something braking it will likely spread shrapnel through the engine
so not only would the engine have to be totally striped which would likely
cost more than a new engine to BMW not many buyers would be happy
with a £9500 new scooter with a rebuilt engine, unfortunately the thing
is turning into a bit of a farce with delayed launch's due to quality issues
problems with the panels coming off and now this, pity as they look good
in pics, not seen one on the road yet but at that price it does not surprise me.

 

[Elliott Larron]

it's a Chinese Engine of course that shows all the true colors never give your Applications to those People ,I guess no body learns any thing yet?

would not be surprised that the entire bike was made in China.. :shock:

elliott,

 

[LeDude]

nothing new there, sounds like a typical BMW...

 

[Chérie]

Have acquaintance me ride with who trade new BMW touring bike after 2 year for new Goldwing, had all kind of problem with this BMW that seem never end for him.

He not expecting Yugo for price of Cadillac.

 

[29534]

I find the BMW bashing interesting by people who do not have them. I have had 4 BMWs since the mid 90s. The were all several years old with substantial miles. The 85 R100RT with 40,000+ miles on it had a leaking differential seal from sitting when I got it and nothing else happened to it in the year or two I had it. The 92 K75RT with 40,000+ miles on it had a fork seal leak and the ABS computer went bad (didn't fix so it was like any other bike of the time)in the 5+ years I had it. I have had my 86 R80RT for 14+ years and it has had an ignition switch, starter relay and fork seal go bad since I have had it (pretty good for 27+ years old with 53,000 miles on it). I bought my 03 R1200CLC a little over 6 years ago with a bad low beam bulb. Since then, the only repairs have been the replacement of two more low beam bulbs (it has two). It now has about 48,000 miles on it and it had about 29,000 miles on it when I got it.

I went to BMWs when I couldn't get new parts for my 10 year old Honda and had to find them in a junk yard. I can get parts for my 27 year old BMW without a problem. The Japanese manufacturer change their bikes far more often than BMW and as a result, the needed parts might be for only a year or two and they get discontinued.

 

[NormanB]

At least BMW will stand behind their product, not like many manufacturers and one in particular I could mention. :wink:

 

[Bakeisback]

While the motorcycle division may not be leading the pack, the cars I have dealt with were excellent. I would love to have a mid 80's 525i.

 

[Chérie]

I find the BMW bashing interesting by people who do not have them. I have had 4 BMWs since the mid 90s. The were all several years old with substantial miles. The 85 R100RT with 40,000+ miles on it had a leaking differential seal from sitting when I got it and nothing else happened to it in the year or two I had it. The 92 K75RT with 40,000+ miles on it had a fork seal leak and the ABS computer went bad (didn't fix so it was like any other bike of the time)in the 5+ years I had it. I have had my 86 R80RT for 14+ years and it has had an ignition switch, starter relay and fork seal go bad since I have had it (pretty good for 27+ years old with 53,000 miles on it). I bought my 03 R1200CLC a little over 6 years ago with a bad low beam bulb. Since then, the only repairs have been the replacement of two more low beam bulbs (it has two). It now has about 48,000 miles on it and it had about 29,000 miles on it when I got it.

I went to BMWs when I couldn't get new parts for my 10 year old Honda and had to find them in a junk yard. I can get parts for my 27 year old BMW without a problem. The Japanese manufacturer change their bikes far more often than BMW and as a result, the needed parts might be for only a year or two and they get discontinued.

Nobody bashing, reporting fact !

 

[TwoWheelTim]

Agreed, if you owned a lemon, and are willing, we would all benefit from the knowledge. That is why BUSA rocks.

Everything else is just nagging, and tagging. Doesn't matter if it is Harley, Kymco, BMW, AMC, many members on here ride and enjoy all of these and more, with great success. But we would like to know first hand experiences that could help ward off problems down the road.

 

[DandyDoug]

Having owned several BMW's over the years, some models better than others.
I cannot really complain about BMW's. ( well there was one early model oil head ) :lol:

However from what I read on the MOA forum there have been ( or it at least seems like ) a larger number of reported problems , that BMW does not address satisfactorily to customer complaints/satisfaction. ( but that's forum jabber)

Like many companies , they introduce a new product line into their mix and in real world use , problems not seen in the test run prior to intro come up.
Maybe that's why people tend to shy away from first year models .
In my own case , that's why i ended up buying a Burgman in stead of waiting a few months and getting a BMW 650GT.

With as much money as BMW has invested in their scooter line ( not to mention the advertising) I'll bet they figure it out pretty quickly. They are painfully aware of their age demographic/buyer profile. While they are trying to lure the younger generation in to the fold, they would be foolish to ignore their main buyer demographic ( older, more discretionary /disposable income) that fits the profile of the potential scooter buyer perfectly.

 

[Elliott Larron]

Not to Mention DandyDoug, That the COPS ride them. :lol:

Elliott,

 

[Hornhonker]

Had a look at a bmw GT650 and the cost was $13340 before tax and almost $15000 out the door ! :shock:
I paid 5K for my used 08 and fail to see much value in changing. That's about $4000 more than the 2013
Burgman.

 

[DandyDoug]

Not to Mention DandyDoug, That the COPS ride them. :lol:

Elliott,

Yes a lot of police departments do ride BMW's , our own included, at least for the moment. :?
They are replacing them this year with either Kawasaki Concours models or, I am told they are interested in something Suzuki makes but it was not clear which model.
I took a safety riding class last year with our local motor officers , it was great fun , but they all said the BMW's were pricey on maintenance and they had to trailer them a long distance to get service after the place they originally bought them did a poor job.

 

[ScooterRaton]

Agreed, if you owned a lemon, and are willing, we would all benefit from the knowledge. That is why BUSA rocks.

Everything else is just nagging, and tagging. Doesn't matter if it is Harley, Kymco, BMW, AMC, many members on here ride and enjoy all of these and more, with great success. But we would like to know first hand experiences that could help ward off problems down the road.

I have a BMW C650GT. Right now I have 1,350 miles on it. Once I get a few more miles and an opportunity to take it on a run instead of commuting I will be writing a full review unless the slamming continues. Then it just will not be worth the time and effort to do it.

I am always amazed by the ragging and crap delt out to anybody that rides anything else than what is the "right" bike...depending on what forum you are on.

I ride and work on Vintage Vespas, 6 of them right now, have two Buddy 125s one I modified to 161, Had 37K on an 07 Burg Ex. I get crap from everybody, but it is amazing that the majority of people slinging have no clue as to how vehicle production has...and stilll does actually work.

The Kymco/BMW tag line is frankly getting old and appears to be used by those unfamiliar and ignorant in regards to Kymco, BMW, Honda, PGO, Piaggio, Kawasaki or Suzuki production history.

Kymco manufactured engines and complete small bikes under license for Honda for 30 years...must be time to slam Honda quality
This is not the first collaboration BMW has had with Kymco, In early 2008, KYMCO was chosen by BMW to supply the engines for their G450 X Enduro, a kick butt trail bike, Kymco also produced BMWs 2007 F650GS motors
The 2009 and 2010 G-series 650 cc engine parts were manufactured by Rotax in Austria
Kymco also has a production relationship with Kawasaki

In 1994, Suzuki partnered with Nanjing Jincheng Machinery to create a Chinese motorcycle manufacturer and exporter called Jincheng Suzuki...yeah Suzuki's made by "those people"...I guess that means that every Suzuki is crap
Suzuki has 35 main production facilities in 23 countries...so..where was your Burgman actually made? Pakistan perhaps? Well...yeah...there is a good possibility that some parts were made there

The point is that almost all bikes are made up of parts from all over the world...thats the way it has been and still is...get over it.

Oh yeah...my Ex had a major failure at 24K...I still loved that scoot!