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Now many people say "armour won't do any good, it helps with road rash but nothing more " but they are talking about kneepads - I'm talking about armour.
And my idea of ATGATT goes way beyond kneepads.

One of the good things about riding in the cold where I am at this time of the year is that you need more layers - or rather, you can be comfortable in more layers.
Instead of extra insulation I add more armour and protection.
First to be added in the cold weather is some extra underwear, mine are full length and made from 100% woven Kevlar - not quite as warm as some tech fibres but better at fending off slicing and abrasion; 2 birds with one stone.
Same with gloves, my inner gloves are woven kevlar

We still aren't saving any broken bones or internal injuries from jangling our insides around or severe penetration wounds though.
In any weather I've usually got my airbag vest on. The idea is that it inflates as you depart from the seat and then deflates under force when you impact on something - it isn't trying to bounce you off things it is trying to decelerate you more slowly so that your innards get banged around less violently, it also spreads the forces out and gives a bit of distance between you and anything hard or sharp and hold your neck straight.

Some of the stuff in my chest is pretty important so if the weather isn't too hot I add yet another layer to fend off broken ribs, penetration of vital organs and evisceration or similar inconveniences.
Designed to spread the force of impacts and generally keep the red squishy bits on one side and the cariageway on the other. Forces are spread across the whole chest by the structure of the outer layers which also crush and absorb and the inner layers reduce the chance of anything passing all the way through and reduce deformation of bones and tissue.

This piece in particular is unlikely to do anything about road rash, it is in completely the wrong place, hence I don't sign up to the "all armour is for road rash" idea.

So, a blow to the body will meet the airbag and its inner/outer mesh cover, then the chest protector then the standard leather/Cordura jacket and then a layer of kevlar. I'd say that increases the survivablity slightly.

Am I trussed up like a turkey? A bit, but no more than I am with normal thermals and rain gear on and I don't feel less mobile. My stuff is all close fitting (it helps that I have the figure of a racing snake to begin with)so I look less like the Michelin Man than somebody wearing non-motorcycle gear. The airbag adds a bit of weight though.

If you don't want to wear it, don't wear it - that should go without saying, "I don't want to" is a good enough reason.

On the other hand, if I had to take an axe to the chest I'd rather be wearing my full gear and I reckon I'd have a better chance of walking away than most. Replace the axe with road debris or something with a Ford badge on the front and I feel just the same.
 

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When I was stationed at RAF Mildenhall, I had to take the USAF motorcycle safety course to be able to ride on base. The instructor told us of a fool who had been riding at 60 mph in New Mexico. This fool was dressed in shorts and a t-shirt. He had his feet on the handlebars and was reading a book. :roll: He lost control and wrecked it. However, this fool picked himself up with no injuries and rode away. The fool was the motorcycle safety instructor...several years later. :!: Telling us not to do as he used to do, but to do as he did now. He was lucky and knew it.

I appreciate the body armor you add. I'm a firm believer in ATGATT. I feel nervous when I ride the few miles to church and have left the riding pants off...and that's only happened a couple times. The thought occurred to me that if you're worried about getting injured in the winter time, why not wear the same armour in the summer?

We had a member a few years ago who got tired of all the ATGATT posts and let us realize there's another level above what we assumed was okay. He raced bikes and started listing all the gear he put on to stay in one piece in a fall.

I'm not worried about getting into an accident and dieing. I know where I'm going. What my worry is, is getting injured enough that I'm a vegetable for the rest of my life. That would be a bummer. I've already watched the reruns of NCIS about 10 times.

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I'm not ATGATT at all...I'll go from shorts and shirt ( always a helmet ) to a reasonable level as appropriate.

A study in Australia showed armor level had little to so with survival on a serious accident ( other than helmet ).
It does of course reduce minor injuries.

I was glad I had knee protectors on last weekend.





That was 15-20 kph on a forest track. That likely would have worked on a low side as well at slowish speeds.

My jacket is 3 for 4 on slow low sides on forest tracks - the last one the armor worked but still have a sore shoulder 10 days later from the impact ( bike dug a peg in instead of sliding ) and I hit the ground faster than the bike was going.

I ride for enjoyment. If it's a ride to the swimming pool I wear trunks shirt and a helmet and it goes up from there as riding situation, duration etc.
Anything beyond local I'll strap the knee guards on as they are so easy on and off unlike armoured pants and the riding pants covert to shorts if needed.

I don't wear a full face for similar reasons.....I want to be comfortable, chat with people and the 3/4 is quieter.
 

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I think we all agree that knee/elbow pads are for minor scrapes.

Maybe an airbag could have saved you 10 days of sore shoulder?
 

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Not sure it would have triggered and I'd not spend that kind of money.

I think an underarmor fitting closer around the shoulder might have reduced it but hell running full tilt into a door jamb - doesn't much matter what you've got on ....it's gonna be sore. The peg dug in - not a normal low side. I think I may have hit the ground just where the shoulder armor ends at the front of the shoulder as other impacts that were on the shoulder armor were picked up easily.
Hey I rode it home and nothing sprained or broken.....was happy with that

Motocross knee guards are light and effective and fit to your knee - something I've not found with armoured pants...
and even with the light pants this is the second time they've worked ( last time was under the bike and I dare say they worked better than an armored pant would have for that.
For abrasion my pants suck. Gotta rely on what's underneath.

knee armor is a bit more than knee pads.....and it worked.
I've had no issue with the elbow protection in the mesh jacket....it's been excellent. :thumbup:
 

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I always wear a helmet... I do not wear my Armor all the time,,, just on trips... and Daboo--- wear ur armor to chruch,,, God won't mind...
 

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Some of the stuff in my chest is pretty important so if the weather isn't too hot I add yet another layer to fend off broken ribs, penetration of vital organs and evisceration or similar inconveniences.
Designed to spread the force of impacts and generally keep the red squishy bits on one side and the cariageway on the other. Forces are spread across the whole chest by the structure of the outer layers which also crush and absorb and the inner layers reduce the chance of anything passing all the way through and reduce deformation of bones and tissue.
Certainly important off road where there are rocks and trees stumps tho I suppose it might helps with handlebar related injuries to the chest etc.
Not so certain it's all that important on road but if it's comfortable why not - I'm getting more interested in armor sitting against the body instead of in a jacket or pants.
 

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Every time I have gone down with or without gear I have scrapped/cut/road rashed my head, hands, and feet or the gear covering such parts. :(
For the last 30 years I have never rode without the minimum of a helmet, gloves, and shoes and have never been scrapped/cut/road rashed. :)
After taking a needle and thread and sewing up my face 30 years ago I decided to always wear the minimum and usually wear ATGATT.
I was raised wearing MX protection and still wear it today especially during the winter when I layer up. :thumbup:
 
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