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A friend of mine and I were talking at work and LED lighting projects came up. He showed me one where lights could be added to a jacket to assist in making a turn or braking.

I've seen video's of things like this: http://youtu.be/_gnv1ERG7LQ

I just don't know if that's legal. I also know it varies from state to state as well. Your thoughts? :?:
 

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Just off the top of my head.......!!!!! I don't see why LED's would be illegal on any jacket and in any state, either! If so - what would be the reasoning behind making them illegal?
 

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Probably one of those vague things that would be subject to interpretation. All the lighting laws I've seen regulate lights mounted on the vehicle. These are technically mounted on the rider not the bike. The question subject to interpretation would be since the rider is on the bike are the lights then considered mounted on the bike.
 

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RED and AMBER only showing to the rear. That's my interpretation. You can put RED and flashing red LEDs on the back of your helmet, so why not a jacket. I have no use for LEDs on my jacket, as I have KISAN modulating brake lights which do a darn fine job of getting attention.
 

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I just finished adding reflective tape to the new Honda, and posted pictures to show what it did for visibility on their forum. I could have mounted LEDs, but that requires electrical connections that can fail at the most inopportune time. Here is what one of the members wrote:

RedLdr1 said:
...For even more visibility I bought a 100' roll of sew on 3M SOLAS Reflexite FD1403 1" wide reflective tape and added it to all my riding jackets on the backs, collars, outer sleeves, cuffs, and front zipper areas. Adding a few reflective decals on my white RF-1100 covered me fairly well. I prefer to be seen and not need to rely on any batteries for the added visibility...
I just feel like LED jackets are a solution in search of a problem. ;) Textile jackets already have reflective piping sewn on them and RedLdr1's additional reflective tape will show up even better if there is any light around. And if there is no light around, then chances are there are no cars around either.

But I don't know if they are illegal... :lol:

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I've used reflective tape on my helmet and jacket. I also agree that get brighter brake lights or a LED licence plate holder makes more sense than a lighted jacketed.

I don't see them catching on anytime soon, although I think it has more to do with pride than anything else. Who wants to ride down the road lit up like a Christmas tree?
 

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There's that fine line between being seen and being a distraction.



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I've used reflective tape on my helmet and jacket. I also agree that get brighter brake lights or a LED licence plate holder makes more sense than a lighted jacketed.

I don't see them catching on anytime soon, although I think it has more to do with pride than anything else. Who wants to ride down the road lit up like a Christmas tree?
 

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There's that fine line between being seen and being a distraction.
QR and guys, here's where I have a SERIOUS issue with lighting laws.

They were initialized under the premise of reducing distractions on the road, but in truth, it was a matter of members of Law Enforcement, and their Political associates, responding to personal jealousy issues. I was working Law Enforcement when, at the highlight of these laws' implementation, and I can tell you for a fact, the anger and jealousy against "Hoppers" (young kids) and "Dealers" (who were mostly just honest folk who had worked hard for what they had, and just wanted something special), was quite palpable! There was a movement to stop people with LOUD (stereo) "Systems" from "tearing down the streets" in their "Hooked-up" cars, when "hard-working individuals" (mostly older folk who were settled and just simply didn't prefer, or could not afford, personally, to invest the money into their cars or learn how to do it themselves) couldn't do it.

Since there were no laws, at the time, against "Beautifying" or "Customizing" your car, and they didn't want to interfere with "legitimate" custom car associations (which had dues, rules and regulations and were mostly joined by older, more mature "hard-working" folk), there was a push, initiated (quite illegally) by Law Enforcement personnel, and later supported by the community (and finally, the law) via a campaign of negative propaganda, to make it illegal to modify a car "aesthetically" from its factory distribution. This meant, legally or illegally, they could and would target individuals for harassment for adding tinting to their car windows or for using lighting or reflective effects on or under the vehicle, customizing their paint jobs too extravagantly (like reflective gold trim... until GM and Ford Motor company started doing it from the factory a few years ago), using custom hydraulic systems, or doing anything else that may garner attention.

At first, they said they wanted to keep the Drug Dealers from enticing youth to follow in their footsteps and from becoming Role models in the low-income communities. Then, when people stopped thinking that every young person with a car or a stereo "system" was a Drug Dealer, it was that these "effects" are causing accidents and are a major road hazard and distraction.

Explain to me, how is being VISIBLE a distraction? If you want to "light-up" the immediate area (called an "IMPACT ZONE" for a reason) around your car, wouldn't that more likely discourage lane sharing, tailgating, and lane drifting, and better support driver buffer zones? I know for a fact, before these (IMHO) FOOLISH laws about lighting were implemented and subsequently enforced, you rarely ever had an issue with noticing a vehicle equipped as such, even when they "forgot" to turn on their headlights as they left the gas station at night or drove in the rain.

If it were about keeping down distractions, then murals painted on Tractor Trailers and Tour Buses, Exotic Sport Cars, eating or drinking in the car, listening to music, wearing "attention getting" or "revealing" clothes, including mini-skirts (for women) when in convertibles, the Can-Am and T-Rex motorcycles (as well as all similar styles of bikes), trikes (especially ones like the BOSS HOG), driving with a t-shirt of "wife-beater" on, Bike Week, organized rides, BYO (Bring Your Own) Hot-Rod and Custom Car events, funerals processions... (Need I go on?) would all be illegal, because they are a hell of a lot more distracting to other drivers than someone's car lighting! You want a distraction? Let me ride ANYWHERE in, pretty much, ANY COUNTRY with a "drop-top" Lambo Countach, a Ferrari Testarossa, or Bugatti Veyon, or just let a pretty woman in a mini-skirt bend over to pick something up instead of stooping!!

It's all about HIGH VISability!!! This is why we can light up our bikes!!! It's been PROVEN to be a SAFE and EFFECTIVE method of recognition. WHY can't we do it with cars? One word... JEALOUSY!!!!
 

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What lights are there on you that will light up your reflective tape when a car pulls out in front of you? Or are you saying the headlight is enough? (Which I think it is). What angle, or angles are you trying to be seen from? Must be from the back, right? No light will light up from the side until someone's headlights are aiming at you from the side, and I can't think of a scenario of how that would/could happen.?
I hate that feeling when you just know that car is going to pull out, or even if you have to think about it, so I am interested in being seen too, just don't know how reflective would work. When they can see you because of their lights, you can obviously see them. Know what I'm trying to say yet? lol
Cheers :roll:
 

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Sometimes..............I think that wearing a lighted jacket - having a ton of lights on the bikes - miles of reflective tape...just gives the cage driver a much better illuminated TARGET to aim for.............................!!!!!!
 

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Mke, reflective tape lights up when street lamps shine on it as well, and you will ALWAYS have to deal with that feeling of, "Maybe this A-Hole is going to pull out on me, EVEN THOUGH HE SEES ME!!!"

The tightening you feel in your sphincter can save your life if you learn to connect it to your master throttle control. Remember... your Burg is ALWAYS in the "GO!" gear! :cheers:

And V8eyedoc,
Never worry about the ones that are aiming for you... You know their intentions.
Just remember the joke about the guy who couldn't hit the broad side of the barn... Until he aimed at the cow standing next to it!
 

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What I've been wanting to do is hook up some EL wire (electro luminescent) on all of the edges of the bike. I thought that would be quite cool, but also be helpful at night. Just trying to find a way to do it.
 

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No different to sewing rhinestones to your jacket for that 'Liberace' look, the cars would definitely take notice of you LOL
 

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i'll give it a second thought when led's become washable or dry cleanable, but in Florida , funk quickly becomes a major factor in riding gear and circling buzzards add to visibility if a cleaning isn't done.
A flashing motorcycle icon on a cell phone (theirs) would be a treat for improved visibility , anything and everything up to and including flying pink porcupines will help, but nothing will be perfect, people can't even see cars or semi trucks and school buses with strobe lights on them , there's even a video of a slow moving car running in to a slow moving train in broad daylight,

all that said, my nephew, a statie in Fla said no, not illegal, but probably not a good idea to go into the green parrot in Tampa if you are straight whatever that means
 

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I do a lot of riding at night (due to my job being done at 1 AM most nights) and have mixed emotions about them. I do like the idea of being more visible, of being seen in all type of weathers and conditions. BUT I can't help but wonder if they might be a distraction.

The driver goes "oh shiny" or wonders what the **** it is. There is enough to distract the driver without my skinny ass adding to it.

That being said, I think they are the next step in the evolution of safety gear.
 
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