[mikeyMarine]

you can reduce the number of flats by putting a flappy thing between the rear tire and the front that reaches nearly to the ground .

 

[Dave_J]

It is said that the front tire hits the nail or screw and stands it up so the rear can hit it better. Team work.

 

[BurgDanno]

Don't know why anyone would put a car tire on their motorcycle/scooter! WTF? Motorcycle tires are rounded for a purpose, to improve handling and traction. When cornering on a car tire, you'd be riding on the corner of the tread!
🤦‍♂️

 

[Bluebottle]

While I wouldn’t do it because of handling and stability - the corner of the tread is far less of a problem than you’d expect.

Have a hunt round the forum and you’ll see it’s been beaten to death.

Edited by another moderator to add beaten

 

[JRoss]

Don't know why anyone would put a car tire on their motorcycle/scooter! WTF? Motorcycle tires are rounded for a purpose, to improve handling and traction. When cornering on a car tire, you'd be riding on the corner of the tread!

much to learn about the ways of the dark side for this padawan

 

[JRoss]

Have a hunt round the forum and you’ll see it’s been to death

 

[Dave_J]

Don't know why anyone would put a car tire on their motorcycle/scooter! WTF? Motorcycle tires are rounded for a purpose, to improve handling and traction. When cornering on a car tire, you'd be riding on the corner of the tread!
🤦‍♂️

As said above, the topic has gone around so many times. Naysayers like you will say "What the Fudge",
but the 10s of thousand motorcycle rider that have gone to a Car tire are very happy.

I have found that any average rider, not a PRO, on a small 600cc or less cc crouch rocket will not leave me in the corners, just the opposite in fact. They may on the straights but I catch them in the corners. The bigger than 650cc crouch rockets will leave me in the straights @ 150++ MPH and I can mot make up that time.

Dragging the center stand on a Motorcycle tire is the same as dragging the stand on a car tire. If a car tire was so bad, it would slide out BEFORE you drag the center stand.

I have been on a car tire for more than a day or two. I went to a Car tire on my Burgman in 2008 and have over 180,000 miles on the 4 Burgmans I have owned.

I did crash my last 2008 650 due to a car tire, It came loose off a car and flew through the air and hit me at 75 MPH, NOT my tire.

While my 'HOOLIGAN' days are gone, I can still keep up with the big dogs and NOT stay on the porch.

 

[BurgDanno]

Well, EXCUSE me!

 

[SemBurg]

As said above, the topic has gone around so many times. Naysayers like you will say "What the Fudge",
but the 10s of thousand motorcycle rider that have gone to a Car tire are very happy.

I have found that any average rider, not a PRO, on a small 600cc or less cc crouch rocket will not leave me in the corners, just the opposite in fact. They may on the straights but I catch them in the corners. The bigger than 650cc crouch rockets will leave me in the straights @ 150++ MPH and I can mot make up that time.

Dragging the center stand on a Motorcycle tire is the same as dragging the stand on a car tire. If a car tire was so bad, it would slide out BEFORE you drag the center stand.

I have been on a car tire for more than a day or two. I went to a Car tire on my Burgman in 2008 and have over 180,000 miles on the 4 Burgmans I have owned.

I did crash my last 2008 650 due to a car tire, It came loose off a car and flew through the air and hit me at 75 MPH, NOT my tire.

While my 'HOOLIGAN' days are gone, I can still keep up with the big dogs and NOT stay on the porch.

You fared well, glad you survived that must have been one heck of an impact.

I saw a tire come off a trailer on the interstate and starting bouncing coming my way, right over the median guard rail. I attempted to time the bounces when I realized there was no escaping this, I was center lane with cars on either side of me (in my truck) Do I speed up, slow down? It all happened so fast. It took me dead center while rising after its last bounce, straight into my bumper taking out my bumper, grill, hood, radiator and A/C. I also had a brush guard that was bolted to the frame and destroyed that as well. I was traveling at about 65mph, the tire was going faster than the oncoming traffic when we met. Glad it didn't come through my windshield; I may not have been here to write this. I took extensive damage.

I kind of stayed on topic, car tire related.😎

I did Darkside from 2004 till about 2015 on my Honda Valkyries and Goldwing. I don't anymore without a good reason, just haven't researched it enough on my Burgman.

 

[JOHNY 650]

I have had a car tire on the back of my 2013 650 for about 4 years now and about 28,000 miles. im on my third front tire and the same rear car tire. normally i would go through two rear tires for each front tire at about 10,000 miles. Darksiding my burg is the best thing i ever did to it.

 

[nulldevice]

I wonder if a general machine shop, one not closely aligned to auto or motor sports, would reshape a Burgman rim to make dark siding easier and less prone to having to wildly exceed tire pressure limits to seat it.

 

[Abner Bjorn]

I wonder if a general machine shop, one not closely aligned to auto or motor sports, would reshape a Burgman rim to make dark siding easier and less prone to having to wildly exceed tire pressure limits to seat it.

I think your time would be better spent finding a tire shop that will set the bead. A rear tire that lasts 20,000 miles plus isn't going to need a whole lot of changin'.

 

[Dave_J]

I think when its milled down enough to fit the tire real easy, the rim will be too thin. Not something I'd recommend.

When I took a sanding wheel to mine I only took off the 0.125" milling ridges to polish the rim. Its a rough surface.
I did not get into the body of the rim.

 

[s-steel]

b650 is 160/60R14. what size tire is ok for clearance? I posted in a group looking for an extra rim for my sym scooter. it has the 160/60R14. im worried about clearance. I wasnt nervous about grip in the winter/rain, I was worried on how it would handle. meaning, would I cope with the weird feel. I do plan to round my tire off a bit on the edges. I noticed all my old tires had almost all its tread in place which means im not a big leaner. I also noticed my MT starts having a flat head within months and I can feel that for sure. I have to try it. need to find someone whos willing to mount it.

its so tempting those car tire prices. so theyre costing half a MT, and last 2.5 times. so that means its costing me 4.5x the amount to get the same longevity? thats nuts. I feel they past the limit of theft with prices.

im curious if the brutal summer heat will be more worrisome for it to unmount when it flexes more? im trying to find a tire that has similar neautral treads on both sides so it doesnt pull a specific way. if it had perpendicular treads that would be best. obviously more road noise.

 

[nulldevice]

I think your time would be better spent finding a tire shop that will set the bead. A rear tire that lasts 20,000 miles plus isn't going to need a whole lot of changin'.

My worry is from the amount of pressure, well over 100 psi (!) to get the bead to seat. I inadvertently over inflated a bicycle tire and it seemed OK and a few minutes down the road it exploded. That is what scares me, not just the immediate possibility of explosion, but structural damage to the carcass because of gross over pressure to get the beads to seat.

 

[BackOnABikeAfter40years!]

My worry is from the amount of pressure, well over 100 psi (!) to get the bead to seat. I inadvertently over inflated a bicycle tire and it seemed OK and a few minutes down the road it exploded. That is what scares me, not just the immediate possibility of explosion, but structural damage to the carcass because of gross over pressure to get the beads to seat.

It's probably not a realistic worry imho.

My Michelin Car tire also took higher pressure to seat.
Over 100 psi.
Key is finding an good independent minded local tire shop OR Indy M/C shop - mine was latter case - "Fast Lane Cycles" in Perris CA he did M/C repair & tires on ALL makes - kid you not he had dirt bikes, Harleys, Crotch Rockets & Scooters side by side.
I asked on phone: "You good with Darksiding my Burgman ?"
He's like: "All the time, bring it !"

That said, he spent 45 min of persistent effort to seat & hold air.
Earned his $60 no doubt.

5,000 miles later, wear is barely perceptible.

I got just 3,600 on prior M/C tire.
Looks like this will go 10-12,000

Every mile feels better, both load # and handling are improved.

That Star Wars pic is right: The Dark side has Cookies, and they're tasty !

 

[Bluebottle]

By 100 psi you are into pressures that can blow off a chunk of rim when the bead seats and put it through your head.
Stay well clear and preferably have a solid wall between you and the tyre.

 

[BackOnABikeAfter40years!]

By 100 psi you are into pressures that can blow off a chunk of rim when the bead seats and put it through your head.
Stay well clear and preferably have a solid wall between you and the tyre.

This was done by a professional M/C shop owner, not myself.
I'd not try personally.
Hed done many hundreds of Darkside installs on all manner of bikes, by his own admission.
Good enough for me.

 

[SemBurg]

It's probably not a realistic worry imho.

My Michelin Car tire also took higher pressure to seat.
Over 100 psi.
Key is finding an good independent minded local tire shop OR Indy M/C shop - mine was latter case - "Fast Lane Cycles" in Perris CA he did M/C repair & tires on ALL makes - kid you not he had dirt bikes, Harleys, Crotch Rockets & Scooters side by side.
I asked on phone: "You good with Darksiding my Burgman ?"
He's like: "All the time, bring it !"

That said, he spent 45 min of persistent effort to seat & hold air.
Earned his $60 no doubt.

5,000 miles later, wear is barely perceptible.

I got just 3,600 on prior M/C tire.
Looks like this will go 10-12,000

Every mile feels better, both load # and handling are improved.

That Star Wars pic is right: The Dark side has Cookies, and they're tasty !

Back when I cared to do it myself, I would use lots of lube, high pressure and a wide C-130 Hercules cargo strap. I'd like to believe the cargo strap made it easier.

I don't do it anymore. It was a fad I went through, all the kool kids were doing to their big Honda Valkyries and Goldwing's, heck when I got into Sport Touring there was even a cult like group of Darksiders with the ST Group and Concours Group. I rode my Sport Tours WAY to hard for that, but straight liners raved about it.