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After reading all the good comments about the 2013 650, I traded my GW for one today.

Here are things I found out today about the 2013 650

Windshield
- has 6 well nuts instead of 4
- upper body and head is pretty good at 60 mph (speedo) for a stock WS
- I am going to take the ’11 stock WS and compare it to the ’13 stock WS. I am also going to look at the well nut holes to see if they line up. I will take pics
Speedo is off 7-8%. Makes it a very harder to calculate your speed. I think I will just use speedo +5 mph
Engine seems to run a little low rpms at hwy speeds. I need to check against my 2011 sometime
-3,500 at 60 mph (speedo)
-4,100 at 70 mph (speedo)
Power mode - 1,500 rpms higher than D, instead of the 1,000 rpms higher
Engine braking - has been reduced, no more neck snapping deceleration. Seems more like a regular bike
It is easy to push around and “duck walk” around, I guess the clutch drag reduction worked
Gas tank filler - there is now an insert in the filler that has a hole just the size of the pump nozzle and the cross bar is below the insert
Mirrors - they now rotate in the housing, if you do rotate them it looks odd to have the mirrors not aliening with the housing, but you do get a little wider range of view
Buttrest - larger and has only one stop screw that is easier to remove. In the seat cover there are larger/longer rubber seals around where the rods slip into the seat. I guess to seal against the buttrest to stop water???
Seat - good with the buttrest removed, but I liked the older one also
Sits higher?? - I sat on my ’11 also, it does seem sit a bit higher
Legroom - about the same with the buttrest removed
Front floor boards - “may” have a bit more angle to them
Top box - you will need a cover plate to fill the void between the passenger hand rails and the trunk mount. It still uses a 3 bolt mount pattern. I may take the trunk mount off my ’11 and try it on the ’13. If I do I will take some pic
Handling – it seems to track straighter with less input and corner better. It feels more planted. This maybe because it is a new bike, odd air pressures the dealer put in the tires, or a half dozen other reasons, but was today’s impression
Handlebars - look and feel a different, but I use up and backs on my bikes so it is hard to tell for sure
Handlebar ends - are more secured

That is all I can remember from today. I will report things as I find them. I looks like rain here a few days so it maybe a while before I can do some riding comparisons.

I like the new 650
 

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Thank you. You confirm now some press comment in Europe in last 8-9 month and comment on Burgman owner site in Europe.
 

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After reading all the good comments about the 2013 650, I traded my GW for one today.


That is all I can remember from today. I will report things as I find them. I looks like rain here a few days so it maybe a while before I can do some riding comparisons.

I like the new 650
I will be interested to to hear your opinion that if you are happy overall, with replacing the 'Wing with the 650.
Im a fan of small scooters, but I have to say, the idea of churning out miles of interstate on the might behemoth 650 is always in the back of my mind. They just look so regal, too . . . Like Kate Middleton should be riding on the back with a tiara doing that royal wave thing :)

Best wishes for lots of happy miles on your new 650!
 

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Congrats on the new bike Roy. I will be interested to see how you comparisons of the old to new windshields and top box mount holes turn out.
 

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Enjoy you new 2013 Roy. As for waiting for the rain to clear up, I have had my 2013 for 7 days and it has rained on me every day. One thing I will mention about riding in the rain. the hand grips become very slippery when they are wet.

Bill
 

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Chérie forget to congratulate Monsieur Ryall for new 650, it great machine.

Enjoy! :thumbup::thumbup:
 

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Spin that SECVT, Roy! The trickle of reports remains positive. Despite looking askance at the 2013 to begin with, I'm happy to see it gain traction.
 

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Dang Roy. (Favorite saying from Quigly Down-under :D)

The 6 well nuts is a plus it they extended the top two higher up.
 

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Congrats on the new ride Roy. I got mine on 6/22 and have close to 500 miles already. I spent about an hour in a rain storm last Saturday. I am very happy how the bike handles. There is definitely power for two plus luggage on this baby. I will probably install some GIVI cases and maybe their windshield in the future.
 

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Are you saying the deal is off then?
Congratz on the acquisition and thank you for the feedback which was focussed on what we really wanted to know.
Btw I contacted an expert on the Steve Saunders Goldwing forum. the importing was a non starter the import and tax treatment in the UK would mean I could buy a 2012 remainder here in the UK cheaper without the hassle and risk.

I have missed out on a good ride though.:)
 

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Very good info on the 2013 650

Congratz on the acquisition and thank you for the feedback which was focused on what we really wanted to know.
+1 Agree 100% keep the feedback coming. MPG would be nice once you get some more riding under your belt. ;)
 

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I did not think Suzuki could come up with a more ridiculous key, they did with the 2013 650. While it is shorter, it is a little awkward to use.


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I did not think Suzuki could come up with a more ridiculous key, they did with the 2013 650. While it is shorter, it is a little awkward to use.
They look like ones used in other markets, I've seen them on eBay for sale and thought about buying some for my bikes.
 

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I took some pics of the pre-13 650 stock WS and the 13 WS. I was hoping that the 4 mounting holes would line up with the 13 WS, but they do not. I only way to use an older 650 WS would be to drill 6 new holes.

The new black plastic WS cover would not fit also without cutting off the bottom of the WS and then you still have to deal with the way it mounts around the side edges of the WS.

I was thinking about what would happen if I took an older 650 WS drilled the new 6 mounting holes, did not mount the black plastic cover, and painted the back of the WS so it look a little better. Would the unused holes be a problem with the air coming thru and the rain?

The 13 WS mounts higher on the WS brackets and it has a large gap at the bottom between the WS and the front fairing. These two things might account for the feeling of a little better protect and noise levels with the 2013 stock WS. The are with the WS in the lowest position.

I hope givi imports the new WS soon. I do not think Clearview or any of the other aftermarket WS makers will have one available any time some, maybe next year.


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Roy, looking at your picture of the 13 windshield and pre 13 windshields on top of each other it's kind of difficult to tell which is which. If I'm following the lines correctly I think the 13 windshield laying on top of the pre 13 windshield and is slightly wider and taller than the pre 13 windshield. Is that correct.
 

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Roy, looking at your picture of the 13 windshield and pre 13 windshields on top of each other it's kind of difficult to tell which is which. If I'm following the lines correctly I think the 13 windshield laying on top of the pre 13 windshield and is slightly wider and taller than the pre 13 windshield. Is that correct.
Yes, the 13 is on top. It is very close to the same width and height. The 13 keep sliding off center when I put it on top of the 11 WS. Good eye to notice it. The 13 looks taller because it mounts higher on the mounting rails and is shorter on the bottom. Does that make any sense?
 

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Under the dash

I remove the handlebar covers and dash to see how much room is under there to mount my electrical connection block for my accessories. The place I used to use is gone. It was the flat surface that was above the fuses and air filter. It is now open to the area under the dash cover. There are several other places I will be able to mount it under there. It is quite roomy and uncluttered in there. The HB covers only have two push pins on the top half and the bottom half just clips to the HBs. The dash cover only has two push pins and two screws holding it on. They using a different style push pins on some of the tubberware now.

If you look at the pics #67 & 64 you will see a connector with the end sealed and a large metal piece attached to the HBs with two holes in it and a small metal box on the left side with a hole in it. What do you think it is? I am thinking something mounts in the small box with the hole in it and the connector connects to whatever goes in that box. Or the connector is for the heated seat & grips. There is a small push out rectangle, pic #70, on the front of the dash. Keyless ignition remote pick up?

Note: If I am posting too many pics and comments on the 2013, let me know


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