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Been reading reviews of the revised 2013 model and after noticing the new analog speedometer I am wondering if Suzuki addressed the speedometer error problem of the previous years. I've been looking to see if anyone has discussed the issue here but haven't found anything yet. I've had motorcycles all my life and haven't ever had the amount of error that my 2003 model has. I've read here from numerous sources that I'm certainly not the only one with this malady. I know Suzuki claims that they're within their allowable range of error but I can't believe that for a minute. Mine is so far off that I never know what speed I'm really travelling. So, did they fix it?
 

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The B650 speedo, at 10% optimistic, is bog standard average for road bikes, and certainly is no where near as bad as other bikes I have owned (Suzuki Bandit B12, for example, is 14%).

I would be very surprised if the speedo on the new B650 is more accurate. Conversely, and in line with greater policing of speed limits globally, I expect it (and all other new bikes) to be less so.
 

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2013 650 speedometer error

Been reading reviews of the revised 2013 model and after noticing the new analog speedometer I am wondering if Suzuki addressed the speedometer error problem of the previous years. I've been looking to see if anyone has discussed the issue here but haven't found anything yet. I've had motorcycles all my life and haven't ever had the amount of error that my 2003 model has. I've read here from numerous sources that I'm certainly not the only one with this malady. I know Suzuki claims that they're within their allowable range of error but I can't believe that for a minute. Mine is so far off that I never know what speed I'm really travelling. So, did they fix it?
I have a 2013 650 and the speedometer appears to be about 7% optimistic and the odometer about 3-4% optimistic, unlike my Honda Pacific Coast that is right on the money.

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Does it matter? They made the speedo smaller and unreadable, with a scale that goes to 200 kph, or 33% faster than the B650 can actually go.

A speedo healer would be a complete waste on that joke of an instrument.
 

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Both my PIaggio and my Burgman error were exactly the same 10%.. no healer needed.. I just figure it in my head.. speed limit 40.. I go 45...speed limit 65, I go 73 and so on..
 

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It is not an error it is planned and engineered into most all motorcycles!
Embrace it and learn to love it! :D
...or just get over it and move on........:rolleyes:
 

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Interesting article that covers some of the considerations for why this may be so...

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Does it matter? They made the speedo smaller and unreadable, with a scale that goes to 200 kph, or 33% faster than the B650 can actually go.

A speedo healer would be a complete waste on that joke of an instrument.
I cannot comment on the new burgmans, but the addition of a SpeedoHealer to my 2005 K6 Italian import (the speedo of which was reading +8.1%) proved to be a resounding success. As for your speed calculation, 200kph = 124mph. 33% of this is 41 which makes your top speed 83mph. I passed a Silverwing four weeks ago (in Germany) at a true 91mph (GPS) with quite a lot of throttle left over. I guess the top speed of my Burgy to be in the region of 108mph - give or take an inch or two. ;)
 

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Interesting............ My 2012 Ford F-350 diesel as per gps seems to be right on. The mpg reading also is within .3-.5 high of what I hand figure out. My 650 & 400 both seem to be off about the same. Once I go to the darkside on the rear that should bring the mph more into a truer reading.
 

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Thank you for your comments!

I feel that Suzuki did such a fantastic job of creating this scoot that I just have a hard time believing that they couldn't do a better job of designing the speedometer better than this. I've had motorcycles all my life and even though there is a little error built into each speedometer I've never had this amount of error in any vehicle. For crying out loud, this is the 21st. century. C'mon Suzuki, you're better than this. With today's technology there's no reason why we have to put up with ANY error. Why can't the speed reading be right on the money? This isn't rocket science. The circumference of the tire is a given measurement. Other than the variable of tire wear affecting that measurement the bike moves a given distance with each revolution. What's the big question here? I just feel that my bike going 65 mph and the speedometer showing 74 is ludicrous. I could accept 1or 2 mph off either way as long as it was a consistent 1 or 2 anywhere on the range but this thing seems to be all over the place hence my earlier comment about not knowing what speed you're going EVER. Suzuki has had ten years worth of customers complaining about this. It just seems like it would be so easy to rectify especially during a redesign of so much of this bike. I mean, they are trying to make it better aren't they?
 

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Dude, read the thread.. It's intentional.
 

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Been reading reviews of the revised 2013 model and after noticing the new analog speedometer I am wondering if Suzuki addressed the speedometer error problem of the previous years. I've been looking to see if anyone has discussed the issue here but haven't found anything yet. I've had motorcycles all my life and haven't ever had the amount of error that my 2003 model has. I've read here from numerous sources that I'm certainly not the only one with this malady. I know Suzuki claims that they're within their allowable range of error but I can't believe that for a minute. Mine is so far off that I never know what speed I'm really travelling. So, did they fix it?
WHAT SPEEDOMETER ERROR..???AND....... it is not a malady - it is the norm..........!!!!!!
 

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Making a change

Well, as stated previously if the error bothers you then a speedohealer to change the signal or a new layout scaled to correct for the error would be in order. The latter being the trickier part. If I had a 2013 I'd likely make a new scaled layout if the numerals were smaller than my liking. I'll assume it's very similar to the 400's cluster in construction so it would be familiar to me from doing past layouts.
 

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I just use a GPS and forget about the bikes info.
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400 Burgman 10% error-Suzuki Customer Care JERK

2012 Burgmann 400 that is off by 10% at highway speed. As bad as that is, Dan at Suzuki National Customer care takes the Cake. I wanted to jump right through the phone and strangle the a$$hole. I have threatened them with Wisconsin's Lemon Law and may go that route, claiming an un-repaired defect,as Wisconsin has a "defective speedometer statute". If I take them to court and win, they have to pay us double the price of the bike, and our lawyer and court costs.
 

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2012 Burgmann 400 that is off by 10% at highway speed. As bad as that is, Dan at Suzuki National Customer care takes the Cake. I wanted to jump right through the phone and strangle the a$$hole. I have threatened them with Wisconsin's Lemon Law and may go that route, claiming an un-repaired defect,as Wisconsin has a "defective speedometer statute". If I take them to court and win, they have to pay us double the price of the bike, and our lawyer and court costs.
If you take them to court and win do you plan on getting another scooter(that will also have a speedometer that reads high) or will you give up riding ?
 

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How can I contribute to Suzuki Dan's defense fund?
 

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As has been posted... it's not an ERROR... it's intentional. I have 5 different rides in my garage here in PRC (XVS1100, AN650K7, CF650TR, Jetmax, Silverblade) not including my car, and every one of them has what I consider a deliberate inbuilt speed tolerance of varying percentages. My car (a Suzuki as it so happens) also has a similar speed tolerance. My Yamaha XT1200Z in Australia has a similar deliberate speed tolerance, as does my BMW K1 & AN650K3 at home in NZ.

So what's the problem and the big deal about a deliberate built in tolerance? Seems to me it's one method of saving yourself from a speeding ticket or at least lessens the sting of one.

There are plenty more major issues in life to be concerned about, so why sweat the small stuff? Get out and ride, smell the flowers and look around a little, put things into perspective - for there for the grace of god go I.
 

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If you live in an oppressed country, where most speed limits are 10 to 30 kph below "reasonable and prudent" and the speeding fines are exorbitant, you've got to fight back by going as fast as you can, without getting a ticket.
Imagine a 4-lane road with divider and a 50 kph speed limit, that used to be 70, and frequent speed traps, set to trigger a fine at 54 kph. It's so awarding to wave to the camera as you pass it boldly with 52 kph, and not humbly with 48 kph

Apart from that, I've become used to that digital speed readout means true speed and analog readout is 10% above true speed.

The Burgman's digital speedo had me going 10% faster than usual in my car, where I always go by the GPS speed.
 

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Your revolutionary zeal to "stick it to the man" is amply demonstrated by driving 2 kph over the posted speed limit. Power to the people! ;)
 
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