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Hi everyone I'm a new owner of a used messed up an 650, I bought this thing with 38000 miles on it and a fixed tranny that only lasted for 3 rides and 100 miles. The "mechanic" that fixed the bike before a bought it from him, showed me 4 or 5 gears and seals, etc, and told me that she was go to go. Well she went all right at 38118 miles, now my question is can I replace a 2005 engine with a 2006, there are any changes between the 05 and 06 that I need to be aware of? I live in Derry New Hampshire and I don't know anybody or any place that I can take the bike to check. I made a few of fone calls to dealers in NJ they only are familiar with oil changes and such. I don't really know what is wrong with the tranny but I can tell you that she was running 90 mph on the hwy and when I pulled into the driveway a heard some light locking noises and I had oil in my rear tire, undercarriage. I think the "mechanic" got the best of me in this deal, and I'm not planning to talk to him about this matter, I called Suzuki USA asking for help on this compatibility issue and belive it or not, "They don't know" and don't have a way to check that one out. Unreal!!!!!
Well I take any advise that I can get from you guys and thank you for reading
NOTE: I loved those 118 miles that put on her :thumbup:
 

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First in answer to you question, I don't know of any changes between 2005 and 2006 that would prevent you from swapping the engines. Don't go to a 2007 or later because there was a change in the throttle body and ECM. Don't go to a 2004 or earlier because there was a change in the connection to the CVT and a change in the ECM. If you go either of those routes you are going to have to change more than just the engine.

Now a question. Which transmission are you talking about. The CVT or the reduction gear transmission that is in the engine crankcase casting. If it is the one in the engine crankcase then I can see the wisdom of an engine swap. If it is the CVT then that is a separate assembly and you can repair or replace just it. Since you mentioned he showed you 4 or 5 gears I'm assuming it's not the CVT. Unless the gears he showed you were white plastic then it is the CVT.
 

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Are you planning a complete engine and trans swap? The basic engines are the same, the differences being electronic controls maybe but I see no reason it shouldn't work if you swap anything that's different from your old motor.

Don't know what gears he showed you but the only gears in the CVT are two plastic ones to adjust the pulleies. There are gears in the engine, what they call the transmission (gearbox), and the final drive. Sorry to hear about your troubles. I'd probably get under it and see where the oil is coming from first.
 

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Here consumer lucky, many year back government pass consumer protection law for protect honest consumer from dishonest people such mechanic that screw you.
 

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Before you go out and try and get yourself another engine, and then try to work out how to install it - what is wrong with the current one? You say you rode 118 miles and had been seeing 90m/h on the speedo... well I haven't been up to that speed often if at all on either of my 2003 or 2007 AN650's. No judgement here but I personally would have taken it a little easier for the first 1000 miles plus before getting carried away with opening her up. You say, you heard sounds when you pulled into your driveway, but aside from sounds did you feel anything like vibrations or such like? Were the sounds only during movement of the scoot or also when you put the scoot on the centre stand with the engine at idle? Will the scoot start now, and if it does what do you hear - same sound or different? With the scoot on the centre stand and the engine running - if you can hear the sound, does the sound change in any way if you twist the throttle a little? You mention oil on the rear rim and tyre. Sounds very much like the final drive seal to me - perhaps. I'd wash the the bike down with a regular garden hose, warm water and soap to break down the oil over the rear wheel. Pressure wash would not be my method of washing, since you never know what you might blast that high pressure water jet into or at. After washing the scoot, let the engine run while the scoot is on the centre stand. The rear wheel should rotate until the engine gets toward operating temperature. Shut the engine down (off) then leave it in a position where you can later observe if there is any loss/leaking of oil from around the wheel hub where it sits against the final drive housing (park it on concrete and not some absorbent surface like grass) There are a bearing set and a dust seal in there. Go check out a oneidasuzuki or ronayers microfiche if you don't have a workshop/service manual.
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/5/ ... urgman_650

If you use the microfiche from the dealer it will at least give you some visual of the rear drive unit and rear wheel connections.

Lastly if you have access to a video recorder then try and get some footage of the scoot and the problems you're reporting then paste it some place like you tube then paste a link to the video so we can see and hear what you are referring to.
 

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Re: 2005/2006 burguie engine swap UPDATE

Ok finally I bought and 2006 engine for my 2005 burguie, many tech guys told me that from 2004 to the first semester of 2007 everything is compatible so I took the plunge and bought it for $ 1000 shipp included with 16000 miles in it. Looks clean, no leaks, original gaskets all over, no bolts ever touched, so looks good to me, fingers crossed of course. I got a estimated for the swap from a Suzuki dealer and the quote calls for 10 hours labor at $ 85.00 an hour that for some reason the bill will be at the end at $ 1.350.00. go figure. Finally I got a Harley shop with experience in suzuki that quot me the same 10 hours for $ 750 total. Every tech that I talked to tells me that to go into de tranny will be $ 400 plus parts. To bikerdoc thanks for your concern about the speed, but my bike has 38000 miles and I just bought it from some idiot that calls himself a mechanic and argues that he fixed the tranny so I felt that I needed to test this thing to the limit, before I start to fall in love with this thing, so I was prepared for the outcome, I'm glad this went when it did and not in a trip to Canada wich I was considering. I did most of the things that you told me looking for a leak and looks like the oil is comming from the bottom of the casing right in front of the center stand, either way no matter what is going on now, the bike is at the shop an hopefully it will be ready in 10 days fron now. Thank you guys for the concern and help and I will update a soon as I get her back
 

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So you got a complete engine or engine/CVT?
 

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What I got is a 2006 with 16000 recovery theft from Florida. I got everything but the final drive and the ECM because the tittle reads 38000 and the new ECM will put the bike at 16000 and I'm not plannig to get rid of her soon, so it doesn't matter to me what it shows. Engine shipped to NH $1000, No ECM No final drive. This bike was a bad deal from the begining so I hope that the $ 1700 ish extra will sweet things up :wink:
 

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Good deal I hope it all works out for you. :thumbup: I'm pretty sure mileage is stored in the cluster and swapping engine controllers won't change the odometer.
 
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